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01-08-2015 10:06 PM

Topic tags/keywords: tablesaw

Backstory:

This in not a photo of the saw, but one used for a CL ad. “Camera issues” the seller told me.

Communication has been slow, seller has not re posted the ad. He did return my call and tell me more. He said its a delta, cabinet saw, wired for 220, his dad’s old saw, and was used in a production environment. He said it works. Badges are missing.

Me: working with a hand me down ryobi. Don’t have 220 in garage. Cash strapped.

The seller seemed to be unaware in email and in the CL listing, but when I talked to him on the phone, he used the phrase “wired for 220”. This is a pretty clear indication to me that he knows more than a novice. (Smell something fishy?)

So… A delta cabinet style saw, wired for 220, (assuming single phase) previously used in production environment, and seller states it runs, and that we can test it on site.

He’s asking $200 on the ad, but said he’d take a buck fiddy on the phone.

I’m going to check it out, but would love feedback and insight prior to going. I’m thinking it might be a Chinese knockoff or something. If I can identify it as a Delta (Unisaw?) it seems like a no brainer, if it runs. Your thoughts?

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#1 posted 01-08-2015 10:24 PM

Hmmm…. a working Unisaw for the price of a good blade. Sounds like a real bargain. I would recommend not going alone to view the saw. Smells fishy to me. Even if there is a major problem with the saw, he could part it out for more than $150.

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#2 posted 01-08-2015 10:26 PM

Those are pretty much the same as a Unisaw. It may
or may not have a less than 3hp motor.

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#3 posted 01-08-2015 10:32 PM

He says you can test it on site, so obviously he knows of or even has some 220v machines.. I wouldn’t take that as an indication of anything fishy on the sellers part. Just takes looking at the plug to know. $200 for a unisaw is a deal, even if it doesn’t work.. I’d be all over.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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#4 posted 01-08-2015 10:39 PM

Delta made non-Unisaws that were very similar to the Unisaw for some time. The differences are few and as Loren mentioned, it may be equipped with a motor of less than 3hp. The advantage to that is that it might have a 1 1/2hp motor that could be wired to run off of your available 115V instead of having to run a new circuit. Keep us posted.

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#5 posted 01-08-2015 10:48 PM

Thanks guys. I definitely have worried that it was someone who wasn’t on the up and up. I think its rare that someone sells a cabinet saw for such a price. It could be basically worn out, or there are missing parts/damage.

The guy doesn’t seem very interested in making an effort to sell it. Perhaps it’s just a nuisance, and he doesn’t think its worth the few hundred extra he could get if he tried a bit harder. More likely, I’m not getting the whole story. (I will be going on Saturday with the precondition that it won’t be to purchase, but to view and research… I don’t think I’m competing with another potential buyer… If so, so be it)

Are there any photos that might be useful in identifying what saw it is? The guts, let’s say.

He did say that the saw in the photo was the same as the saw he was selling.

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#6 posted 01-08-2015 10:49 PM

Thanks, yeti… That would be advantageous for the short term.

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#7 posted 01-08-2015 10:51 PM

I know I’m getting advice from the power tools heavy hitters. I really do appreciate you sharing your time and knowledge, gentlemen.

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#8 posted 01-08-2015 11:19 PM

Bucket, That’s the Delta Tilting Arbor Saw model 36-755. It was one of the first (if not THE first) hybrid saws on the market.

The trunnions are attached to the underside of the cast iron top like a contractor’s saw. The original motor was a 2 hp requiring 240 volts. I’m not sure if there was an option to rewire for 120 volts but if so, it would likely require at least 20 amps.

That’s not a bad deal if the motor and bearings are in good shape.

Mike

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#9 posted 01-08-2015 11:20 PM

I am not familiar with that model. It does look a lot like a Unisaw. The motor could be dual voltage, which would maybe put it in the hybrid category. I would check whether it has cabinet mounted or table mounted trunnions (cab mounted being preferable). Its history of production use may indicate wear, such as bearings (well, mainly bearings). Bearings are cheap.

I see no rails or fence. Check whether the actual saw has them. However, if the missing rails are the round tube type, I would regard it as no loss, as that is a crappy rail and fence setup. You can get proper rails and a T-square type fence from Grizzly ($250 to $275 with rails). There are several good brands. You can even make your own.

I paid around $400 for my Unisaw, and immediately threw the fence and rails away. $200 is a good price if you don’t have any expensive issues., or can live with whatever compromises you might have to make.

Oops. Just went back and saw the right side extension wing is missing. If he doesn’t have it, it’s up to you to decide whether that’s a problem. Certainly lowers the value.

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#10 posted 01-08-2015 11:38 PM

Don’t let the 220 throw you off. Not that big of a deal. Just gotta get those guys over in the SOTS thread to walk you through it.

-- "The only limits to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today." - FDR

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#11 posted 01-09-2015 12:37 AM

Ya, Cl810. If stef got it did in under 6 months, I figure I’ll take 2 hours. ;-)

I jest. I also have been working on a job where I’ve befriended the lead electrician who said he’d draw it up for me, once I show him some pics of my panel. I’m confident I can make the 220 happen, and this could provide the catalyst.

OhioMike seems to know the model well. If it’s this one, I might even pass. I want cabinet mounted trunnions, and I did mention, I’m cash strapped. :-)

Runwithscissors, thanks for the tips. I’ve seen those round railed fence systems but had not heard opinions. Of course everyone loves the Biesmeyer fence, and if one is included, or a version of it, I’d be crazy not to pull the trigger just for the value of the fence and the saw body.

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runswithscissors

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#12 posted 01-09-2015 12:45 AM

If your panel has two rows of breakers, 220 is very easy to do. And you only need 2-wire Romex, (2 + ground), not the 3 wires like your dryer or electric range require.

-- I admit to being an adrenaline junky; fortunately, I'm very easily frightened

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MrUnix

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#13 posted 01-09-2015 12:46 AM

If you don’t get it, I’m going to be in that area within the next week or so… so I might just wander by to check it out :)
Will be interested in whatever you find out about it.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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Buckethead

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#14 posted 01-09-2015 12:49 AM

That’s exactly what my electrician friend said. I have the room in my panel, and will be glad to give it a try. I’m going to try and keep my head though, and not get my heart set on buying it if I will want to replace it later. It is a relatively small amount of money, but the ad states it needs some “tlc”. I’ll happily put in the elbow grease if it’s a keeper.

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#15 posted 01-09-2015 12:51 AM

Brad, I’ll take some photos and share them, whether I buy it or not. Be happy to share contact info if I pass.

Mrs Buckethead has cast a ‘Nay’ vote already. Strike one.

-- Support woodworking hand models. Buy me a sawstop.

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