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KevinBlair

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01-04-2015 11:56 PM

Topic tags/keywords: youtube woodworking videos podcasts

I am curious to know what others think about the recent patron support requests/programs being suggested by several of the regular youtube content providers.

For those that I get the most out of watching I hit the like button, subscribe, try to use their links to amazon and such and will even sit through an ad or two prior to watching the actual video. I am also willing to purchase plans when needed.

I wonder how much google is making from all of the videos (woodworking and otherwise) for which they do not pay anything. Mitch Peacock (WOmadeOD) tells me that amount received from allowing ads to run before the videos start is very small; not enough to offset the time and effort to produce the videos.

I could see where some of the heavily subscribed video producers could do quite well. Imagine 25,000 of Steve Ramsey’s or Matthies Wandel’s each giving $1.00 per month.

With a couple of producers I could be okay with the “PBS”, take out a subscription approach; with some others, not really.

My ambivalence is derived from two issues: 1) are you making the videos to make money or to share and help others? and 2) google would seem to be making the largest overall profit and why would I subsidize them when they should have the resources to pay for content?

Thoughts?


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#1 posted 01-05-2015 03:31 AM

I don’t watch enough Utube to know for sure what is happening, but it sounds to me like when it costs a buck to watch, there is too much content for too few bucks, those 25,000 hits will probably drop dramatically. They might want to reconsider getting too greedy ;-)

-- Bob in WW ~ "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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#2 posted 01-05-2015 04:40 AM

Editing. Editing. Editing.

If I hear, “Like I said before…” once, that’s two too many times.

There’s a guy, I’ll keep nameless, that knows a crap-ton
about cabinet building, and I can see he has good intentions
and his videos could be awesome but for the fact that they
are three times as long as they need to be.

The Wood Whisperer’s videos, not the guy I’m referring to
in the previous paragraph, are pretty good, but his podcast
with Matt and the other guy are almost un-listenable given the
amount of time they drone on about stuff that just doesn’t
matter to the average hobby guy in a garage. In some cases,
especially when they are talking about podcast internals, I just
think, “naval gazing.” Move on…

The key to a successful youtube presence? Don’t talk about
yourself. Don’t repeat what you’ve already presented. And
edit. Edit. Edit.

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TopamaxSurvivor

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#3 posted 01-05-2015 05:09 AM

I certainly agree with that, edit, edit. I don’t have time to watch a bunch of vids that drag out.

-- Bob in WW ~ "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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#4 posted 01-05-2015 05:21 AM



Editing. Editing. Editing.

If I hear, “Like I said before…” once, that s two too many times.

There s a guy, I ll keep nameless, that knows a crap-ton
about cabinet building, and I can see he has good intentions
and his videos could be awesome but for the fact that they
are three times as long as they need to be.

The Wood Whisperer s videos, not the guy I m referring to
in the previous paragraph, are pretty good, but his podcast
with Matt and the other guy are almost un-listenable given the
amount of time they drone on about stuff that just doesn t
matter to the average hobby guy in a garage. In some cases,
especially when they are talking about podcast internals, I just
think, “naval gazing.” Move on…

The key to a successful youtube presence? Don t talk about
yourself. Don t repeat what you ve already presented. And
edit. Edit. Edit.

- skatefriday


I agree and i wish people would work on volume I hate having to lean in to here what they are saying.I also hate having to listen to somebody’s elses flavor of music for 10 mins. and then having to read text that isn’t on long enough or white on white background. JM2C

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#5 posted 01-05-2015 05:29 AM

Topamax, the support the OP is speaking of, doesn’t make the video cost $1, if is strictly voluntary.

There are a few guys out who put out consistent, concise, great quality and informational videos which have real value, and I don’t have any problem with them asking for monetary support.

-- Joe | Spartanburg, SC | "To give anything less than your best is to sacrafice the gift." - Steve Prefontaine

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#6 posted 01-05-2015 05:46 AM

OK thanks, With major corps always looking for ways to generate a revenue stream without delivering anything of value, I assumed it was per view on Utube. The quality vids could probably generate revenue. I thought the top performers were paid by Utube now?

-- Bob in WW ~ "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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#7 posted 01-05-2015 06:00 AM

Personally I shy away from commercialized sites

. About a year or two ago I called out one of the “most popular” sites for taking an idea from an altruistic CDN blogger and claiming it as his own, to which he suggested he had “improved” the idea, but he admitted he coulda given the fella credit.

The more hype, the less believable the claims are…..

And it’s scarey how much -unkown-to-you -meta data they collect about you and flog to their advertisers.

Eric

-- Real_cowtown_eric

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#8 posted 01-05-2015 08:55 AM

I doubt that more than 3 or 4 woodworkers are earning enough to pay bills from youtube, maybe another handful earning beer money. You can earn big bucks on youtube but not doing woodworking.

-- http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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#9 posted 01-05-2015 09:50 AM

It’s the American way, everybody wants to make money, and nobody wants to pay :)

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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#10 posted 01-05-2015 11:47 AM

YouTube does pay them, but it’s a very small amount from what I gather. The bulk of their money comes from their own websites (and associated ads). That being said, I know of at least two woodworkers on YouTube that relay on it as their sole source of income (Steve Ramsey and Jay Bates), one of them (Jay Bates) is pretty active with project postings on LJs. His name on here is JSB. Jay just posted an article with some statistics on where his various income streams come from.

-- Joe | Spartanburg, SC | "To give anything less than your best is to sacrafice the gift." - Steve Prefontaine

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#11 posted 01-05-2015 12:32 PM

While a better edited, higher quality video is nice; I am not really watching them for entertainment. I have often learned the most from videos where the producer simply puts a camera so I can see what they are doing and hits the record button. I don’t think I would subscribe as a patron (paying $1-5.00 per month) simply because of the editing and slickness of the video.

I also think it must be a challenge to come up with a new video every week. Some of the guys I like best produce a video every while on a topic of interest. Some of the most prolific producers seem to just churn them out; including several that are essentially rants on a topic. Then there are the very obvious product plug videos where you know they are only sort of reviewing or demonstrating the tool.

I’ll have to read Jay Bates’ posting on income sources. I am trying to figure out what is fair. I support NPR via a monthly donation and could do the same for a few of the woodwork video producers…but should I, is the question.

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Tennessee

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#12 posted 01-05-2015 03:18 PM

I think today, people make YouTube videos for a variety of reasons:
1. They are vain and just want to have their face/dog/kids/talents on the Internet
2. They are hoping that they might get seen and something might happen that could change their life, sort of like Steve Ramsey, who has been on a couple shows now, and news shows.
3. They actually have something they want to sell, and it is a great way to get it out there. I know of a bandsaw box builder in Utah that has put up short, (45 second) videos showing off each box. Not how he builds it, but the benefits. He then link them all to his website on the page that the box is shown on.

I have had people put up videos of my guitars. Since I am not a good enough player, at least three of my customers have put up videos demonstrating my units. They have sold more than a few guitars for me.

-- Paul, Tennessee, http://www.tsunamiguitars.com

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#13 posted 01-05-2015 03:57 PM

people everywhere are trying to make a buck and that is ok with me. But I want value for my buck.

Everyone is trying to advertise for as little as possible. Just look at all the projects posted on LJ that are companies posting their projects for sale if you go to their websites. Posting an occasional projects by these companies is Ok but some are a little ridiculous. LJ should charge some of these for advertisements.

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#14 posted 01-05-2015 04:34 PM

IMO, there are a few good woodworking videos, a lot of so-so ones, and quite a few that should be removed because of inept wood workers that do not know what they are doing while at the same time displaying extremely poor safety practices which could lead a novice into deep trouble!

-- "I never met a board I didn't like!"

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#15 posted 01-05-2015 04:41 PM

I have uploaded some videos on wood working.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBiE5DqAbpikhhyyB7u4jhw

The main aim is to distribute knowledge not for monetary reasons. The videos itself explains a lot but it will not drive ads or manufacturers to fund it.

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