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Forum topic by RichardB posted 03-06-2009 06:26 AM 1413 views 0 times favorited 14 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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03-06-2009 06:26 AM

I was browsing through the projects and it struck me.

There have been several projects involving church furnishings, several involving boxes with inlaid crosses, a few crosses/crucifixes, and no disparaging comments! Not what I’m used to seeing when I read stories on the AOL welcome page. All it takes there is someone to make some innocuous comment like, “It will happen in God’s time” and someone will jump down their throat calling it superstition, opiate for the masses, or worse.

It’s really refreshing that members here are actually tolerant of each other. If someone posts a religious item, people either comment on the construction or say nothing. It ain’t their cup o’tea and they move along.

Same thing happened a few months ago at my model train club meeting. Somebody said, “We won’t be seeing __ at the meetings because it conflicts with choir practice, but he’ll be there Saturday to run trains.” No groans, no eye-rolling. Then we had a work day to schedule. I told them I was working Saturday, but I’d be done with church by 10:00. Someone else said he won’t be free til after 11:00 on Sunday. Old guy made some comment like, “Well I’m stuck at church later than you guys because I was elected church warden” Anyway, the organizer said, “Okay, let’s set it up for noon on Sunday. That ought to give everyone time to get home from church and change.”

Maybe I’m not the weirdo the media thinks I am after all…..

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#1 posted 03-06-2009 11:51 AM

Christians and conservatives are about the only groups you can still make fun of anymore. The tolerance screaming people are blind to their own intolerances.

As Thomas Jefferson said, ...”But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. “

I never read in the Constitution where we have a right not to be offended.

I think most LJ’ers look at what a person made and how it looks not what the subject is about.

-- Measure once cut twice....oh wait....ooops.

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#2 posted 03-06-2009 12:48 PM

i find the ones who claim to be tolerant are in fact the least tolerant. Stop saying that you are tolerant.. Just be so.

-- making sawdust....

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#3 posted 03-06-2009 01:52 PM

Mott- I like your way of stating it “Stop saying that you are tolerant.. Just be so.”

It reminds me of the Mahatma’s words “Be the change you want to see”

Richard- What I have seen so far on this site is not tolerance, but acceptance. Isn’t it much better to accept someone and their values/beliefs/etc than to tolerate them? I certainly don’t want to be tolerated.

This is definitely a respectful community

I love being a part of it.

-- I may be schizophrenic, but at least I have each other.

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#4 posted 03-06-2009 02:05 PM

This is a site about woodworking though, isn’t it? and that’s what brings us together. What do I care what you do with your time when you are not in the shop. If you’re working the wood, then you belong here.

-- If you can't joint it, bead it!

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#5 posted 03-06-2009 02:29 PM

“I’d rather see a sermon than hear one.”

Good woodworking is good woodworking. If the woodworker feels a higher calling, even better for him (her).

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#6 posted 03-06-2009 02:42 PM

Wonder how much tolerance there would be if you said ” i,m just nipping down to the mosque”
With the replies so far on this post it seems tolerance is the more popular attitude. Long may it remain so pgzac Acceptance is a great word and so is understanding

-- if the hand is not working it is not a pure hand

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#7 posted 03-06-2009 03:37 PM

Too bad our government and special interest groups aren’t as tolerant!!!!

-- When asked what I did to make life worthwhile in my lifetime....I can respond with a great deal of pride and satisfaction, "I served a career in the United States Navy."

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#8 posted 03-06-2009 04:29 PM

I’ll second PG_Zac’s wording of – Acceptance.

but to be more specific- I find that LJ is about as the name implies – Lumber, it’s woodworking centric, and that is what we here are interested in, be it that you are christian, jewish, muslim, hindi, or anything else your heart desires, we are all sharing our passion for wood. that being said – if you’ll start posting religious comments that have nothing to do with woodworking – you might see a different tolerance to your remarks, but those will not be anti-religious at their source as they will be pro-woodworking

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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#9 posted 03-06-2009 05:04 PM

Sanding! I barely tolerate sanding.

I have accepted that flush cabinet doors and drawers must be measured accurately. There’s very little tolerance, there.

-- Gene 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton

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#10 posted 03-06-2009 05:50 PM

The problem is reality. With tolerance, comes intolerance. Subtle or not. I’m here to see woodworking projects, not hear about someones religious affiliation. As mentioned above, I don’t really care about someone’s personal life, as well, I suspect many don’t care about mine. And I’m fine with that. If I comment on a project, it’s because I really like it no matter what the subject is. If someone brings drama, a whoa is me post I’ll skip that posts as well as any other posts by that person. Same goes for people drawing attention to how many posts they have made or how long they’ve been here. Does that make me intolerant? Some would say yes. Some would just say, who cares?

-- Respect your shop tools and they will respect you - Ric

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#11 posted 03-06-2009 05:59 PM

I agree. It’s not a place here to deride someone for what they believe. We can express our faith in what we do. Being tolerant of others belief’s are the basis of what I believe.

-- I've been blessed with a father who liked to tinker in wood, and a wife who lets me tinker in wood. Appomattox Virginia †

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#12 posted 03-06-2009 07:36 PM

This is a great site, no doubts about it, but it’s not the heaven.
I concive Woodworking as an Art, what I produce is the direct expresion of my thinking, my believes and what I am, it is not about gluing pieces of wood toguether

Who is here just to see woodworking projects is a selfish person.
I think we are here, because we enjoy companionship, we enjoy to hear stories and how other people is doing. When somebody loose a finger in the saw,I am sure that person feels better receiving others support.

-- Nature is my manifestation of God. I go to nature every day for inspiration in the day's work. I follow in building the principles which nature has used in its domain" Frank Lloyd Wright

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#13 posted 03-07-2009 12:49 AM

I will point out that there has been at least one project removed from LumberJocks because of the subject matter of the piece. Not that I blame Martin for the decision; the subject matter scares most of society, my guess was that the person who posted it was trying to be inflammatory, and keeping the community alive in the face of such a project would have required some additional non-trivial coding on the LumberJocks software, but I was sorry to see the project go.

On the other hand, yeah, as what seems like one of the few atheists on LJ, I like that we all get along here. I can appreciate great craftsmanship and good effort from people whose beliefs I don’t necessarily subscribe to, and I appreciate that we can come together and find common ground in the things that we do share. Just ‘cause I like mushrooms and someone else doesn’t, there’s no reason we both can’t admire good cooking.

-- Dan Lyke, Petaluma California,

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#14 posted 03-07-2009 01:01 AM

Rodney King said it best, “Can’t we all just get along”.

-- (You just have to please the man in the Mirror) Mike from Michigan -

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