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brianinpa

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03-03-2009 04:30 AM

Topic tags/keywords: canoe

As the topic says, I sold my plastic Coleman canoe and my wife claims I only sold it so that I can get another. She is partially correct, in that I sold it so that I can get another, but I want to MAKE my next canoe. I have never undertaken anything like this, so where is the best part to start? Books, plans, authors, etc. There are so many different websites on this subject internet and the library has been not much help unless I want to make it out of plywood: I want to make a cedar strip design. I am looking for pointers from those that have made them in the past or ideas from anyone who has contemplated it. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

-- Brian, Lebanon PA, If you aren’t having fun doing it, find something else to do.


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#1 posted 03-03-2009 04:39 AM

Brian – do a site search for canoe. There are several people here who have made them. Check out this beauty

http://lumberjocks.com/projects/11094

Good luck.

-- "Our past judges our present." JFK - 1962; American Heritage Magazine

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#2 posted 03-03-2009 04:39 AM

Brian – do a site search for canoe. There are several people here who have made them. Check out this beauty

http://lumberjocks.com/projects/11094

Good luck.

-- "Our past judges our present." JFK - 1962; American Heritage Magazine

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#3 posted 03-03-2009 04:44 AM

Brian:

I have this book by David Hazen; http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=hazen&kn=canoe&sts=t&x=53&y=13

No. I haven’t made a canoe ….......yet…......but if I do this book will be my guide.

-- "Heaven is North of the Bridge"

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#4 posted 03-03-2009 05:04 AM

Sounds like a great project! I saw a beautiful one being offered for sale at a craft show some years ago. If I had the room and needed another project, I’d definately build one. Too much on my plate for that right now. We’ll have to stick with the metal jon boat. Ugly but functional and dents aren’t a big deal.

-- "They who dream by day are cognizant of many things which escape those who dream only by night." ~ Edgar Allan Poe

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#5 posted 03-03-2009 12:13 PM

There are several good books, several decent books and just some books that are worthless.

I personally find “Building a Strip Canoe” by Gil Gilpatrick to be the most useful of my library. It includes several plans that I scaled up to full-scale and then cut out the forms and mounted. I forget which one I am building off the top of my head, but the book is very useful, but assumes quite a bit of wood-working knowledge prior to building a canoe.

Do you plan to cut and shape your own strips or buy pre-made bundles?

Good luck.

-- Rich, anybody want a peanut?

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#6 posted 03-03-2009 02:32 PM

I tried to find my canoe book and its…....nowhere to be found but I bought it at Lee Valley some 20 years ago and I think they still sell it. It has plans for about a dozen different canoes including the Peterborough, Redbird, Hiawatha to name a few. I made the Redbird but in hindsight I should have made a smaller one as I now have no plans of canoeing out a full grown dead moose. The book is excellent.

If I could name one “tip” which is a mistake thats common and yet downright horrible is that when you make the stern and bow bends, dont forget to make two at the same time. One is used to fasten the strips to and the other covers it after all the strips are done and the two (actually 4) parts have to fit perfect and this can only be done by laminating them both at the same time.

-- "Good artists borrow, great artists steal”…..Picasso

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brianinpa

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#7 posted 03-03-2009 02:34 PM

Betsy – That is the project that got me to sell my canoe.

8iowa & Rich – Thanks for the recommendations on the titles. ”There are several good books, several decent books and just some books that are worthless.” I have come to find that this is a true statement.

DaveR – Thanks for the link to the forum. Looks like I need to spend some time over there now.

Rich – I was thinking of cutting and shapping my own strips, but cedar is hard to find locally, so I may have to go with the pre-made bundles. Still in the stage where I am gathering information so my final direction isn’t really determined yet.

MMH – I had one of those ugly jon boats also and sold it for a row boat. I had to clean off my plate, but before I could do that, I had to clean out my back yard.

Thanks to all for the advice!

-- Brian, Lebanon PA, If you aren’t having fun doing it, find something else to do.

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#8 posted 03-03-2009 02:39 PM

Roman I know what you mean about being too big. That is one of the main reasons I sold the Coleman. When My sons were around, using a 15 ft canoe was not a problem. Now that they are older and ready to go on their own, I am looking for something in the 12 ft range.

-- Brian, Lebanon PA, If you aren’t having fun doing it, find something else to do.

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#9 posted 03-03-2009 02:55 PM

Luckily my wood supplier had gotten stuck with a truck load of western red cedar decking. This was the best stuff to make strips out of. It was already machined down to 7/8” thick by 6” wide and various lengths up to 16’. So you might be able to find cedar decking, or someone who could get it.

Depending where you are in PA you might be close enough to Arcade, NY to get this same cedar decking…it comes in various lengths and I think he cut it all down to 12’ lengths so it fits in the storage barn.

I just ran the boards through the table saw to get 1/4” strips and then twice through the router to cut the bead and cove. Cut the bead side first so that the cove edges don’t get broken up.

My web site has some pics of the jigs and setup I did to cut my strips.

I think alot of the books also assume a working knowledge of fiber-glassing. Gil’s book does have a couple chapters specifically on working the fiber-glass part of it, something to keep in mind if you have never done it.

I am building a 17’ canoe and you will need 2 people when laying the longer strips.

-- Rich, anybody want a peanut?

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#10 posted 03-03-2009 03:23 PM

For a web site look at Bear Mountain Boats.

This place is in Ontario Canada and offer lots of information… plans, kits , most anything you would be interested in…there is also a forum…......

Bear Mountain Boats is owned and operated by Ted Moores….. Some call him the father of cedar strip canoe construction. Ted also has a few books on the subject. check out Canoecraft….... The bible of canoe construction.

-- Brian, Ontario Canada,

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Moron

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#11 posted 03-03-2009 03:32 PM

CanoeCraft….......thats the name of the book I have. I made the redbird out of redwood and ash accents…..sweet.

another tip. If you can get a hold of quarter sawn wood then when you cut the strips the grain is flat sawn which is stronger, less waste….............otherwise you have to re-saw the boards.

-- "Good artists borrow, great artists steal”…..Picasso

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#12 posted 03-03-2009 04:09 PM

Definitely “favoriting” this one. I am retiring in two weeks, and I plan to build a boat.

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#13 posted 03-03-2009 06:55 PM

I have built two woodstrip canoes many years ago. The first one was my own design, not good. The second one was built with the help of the Minnesota Canoe Association
Before you start consider this: keep in mind that this is not a canoe that you can pull up on shore. When you finish you will have a canoe that you will be proud of and you will get a lot of great comments on it, and to keep it that way you will have to get your feet wet and lift it out of the water.
Also, plan on making the paddles. There are some very nice designs out there.
Enjoy your canoe making experence.

-- "Hold on to instruction, do not let it go; guard it well, for it is your life" Solomon

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brianinpa

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#14 posted 03-03-2009 07:11 PM

Thanks to all for the comments and advice: there is a lot more info than I thought I would see.

-- Brian, Lebanon PA, If you aren’t having fun doing it, find something else to do.

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#15 posted 03-03-2009 07:47 PM

Wow, I just looked at the pics and was my garage clean 2 years ago…

Anyway, some additional hints and tips. I only put staples in the strips at the ends where they over-hang the bow and stern (the part that gets cut off). I use masking tape to pull the strips together, this eliminates all those pesky staple holes in the boat. Not sure how I will handle it when I get past the sides and start rounding up into the bottom, but necessity is the mother of invention.

I also buy those cheap bungee cords availabel at the local HW store, drove some nails into the strongback and use the cords to keep the strips tight against the forms.

Typically I was able to lay 3 strips at a time per side. So it is lay 6 strips, wait 24 hours, lay 6 strips, wait 24 hours…

-- Rich, anybody want a peanut?

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