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01-01-2015 02:32 AM

Above are the pictures of the Winchester W103. Problem with this one is how come there is only like 2 pics online of it? Just not a lot of information on it for some reason.


And those should the crazy “scrub” plane. No markings of any kind. The knob has been replaced I am guessing. It measures 8 3/4×2wide. Blade is 1 3/4 wide. No markings on the back of the cap either. Also the mouth is not curved like the 40 or 40.5. I never wanted to be the guy asking for help with a couple planes but I have spent a good deal of time looking for more info on both of these. Hoping someone see them and is full of awesome knowledge. :) Thanks in advance.


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#1 posted 01-01-2015 05:54 AM

I have quite a bit of experience with planes, but I have yet to find a good resource for Winchester planes. I know quite a few bench planes were made by Sargent Co. It is really apparent in their bench line. I looked though the Sargent book by David Heckle and I didn’t see a similar design. The Stanley 103 is kind of similar, it may have been made by them, but they typically like to put the plane number at the back of small blocks, the cam is also different.
https://www.google.com/search?q=stanley+103&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=932&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=Lt-kVKP1DsepgwSq0YHoAw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg

The Millers Falls 55 is an exact duplicate of Stanley’s 103. There is a picture of a similar plane in the 1905 Union tool catalog on page 45. You guessed it is a Union 103. Ohio tool was also fond of a similar adjustment.

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#2 posted 01-01-2015 12:48 PM

I’m with deycart on the Winchester. A lot of guy collect them (or I assume based on the prices I see) but not much info. I don’t think they ever made their own and know Sargent made a lot of them.

The second one looks like a Defiance or Defiance knock off.

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#3 posted 01-01-2015 02:36 PM

Deycart, so union made it for Winchester or it is just a union. I was hoping that W ment something.

Found this last night:
“Actually, both Stanley and Sargent made planes for Winchester.

If the model numbers begin with “3” (3004, 3008. etc.) then it was made by Sargent.

If the number begins with “W” (W004, W008, etc.) then it’s a Stanley. Some of the “W” models (not all) are early-type Bedrocks.”

I’m not looking for value, just trying to catalog exactly what I have.

Don, lm with you. The other one looks like a defiance.

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#4 posted 01-01-2015 03:25 PM

It’s no doubt its a Winchester plane. It’s just that the really early Stanley’s that had a similar adjustment also had a different shape lever cap. However Union and Ohio used this adjustment and had that shape cap at the same time. I know Ohio did make planes for other brands Keen Kutter is one example. I don’t think Union was around long enough to do stuff like that. It was common practice for a larger maker to make planes for larger retail outlets. It’s exactly like craftsman now they don’t make anything them selves just contract out.

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#5 posted 01-01-2015 04:00 PM

Awesome. I am really enjoying learning about all of these. Now I just need to narrow down what I buy because as of right now I just buy anything I find… Heck i guess I enjoy the hunt too.

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#6 posted 01-01-2015 04:03 PM

This will help some for what to looks for, http://www.timetestedtools.com/help-buying-vintage-planes.html

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#7 posted 01-01-2015 05:24 PM

Thas a nice guide. Had not seen that one before.

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#8 posted 01-01-2015 05:28 PM

It is, unfortunately all the really deep info is stuffed in expensive books. The Stanley bench planes and block planes are very well covered for the most part and Millers Falls is covered really well here.

http://oldtoolheaven.com/

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