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Forum topic by eljiggo posted 12-30-2014 02:19 AM 3934 views 0 times favorited 13 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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eljiggo

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12-30-2014 02:19 AM

This site has been a wealth of information!

First and foremost, my current saw is a bosch gts1031. It works. I dont have many issues with it. It has limited rip capacity (18”) and a small table. It is limited to 1/2in dados. It also has a VIOLENT startup, and it is LOUD throughout operation. I can live with all these flaws but I would like to improve. I have a makita track saw, so I am not feeding 4×8 sheets through my saw. Most of my cutting is 3/4in material (occaisionally I will cut thicker, but not often) Usually final cuts on plywood after breaking it down with the tracksaw. I am a hobby woodworker, I am not interested in rewiring my garage for 220v. Any saw will be 110v. I also need a riving knife.

All that being said, I am looking at the laguna fusion saw, or the jet proshop saw. The sawstop 1.75hp is outside of what I am looking to spend. The ridgid 4512/craftsman equivalent have too many alignment issues, and the grizzly appears to have similar alignment issues. Can anyone give the grizzly polar bear a vote of confidence? The fusion looks like a good buy as it has table mounted trunions. I cant tell if the jet has table or cabinet mounted trunions – the method of alignment outlined in the manual seems to suggest they are cabinet mounted. Also, is the ridgid worth testing fate with? I have a ridgid repair center not far from me. Could they fix the alignment issue with any certainty?

Are there any other saws in this category?

thanks for your help! I have used the search feature quite a bit, I have read many many threads about this. I guess i am most interested in hearing about the fusion vs the proshop or someone swooping in and telling me to take a shot on the ridgid/craftsman.

Thanks!


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firefighterontheside

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#1 posted 12-30-2014 03:01 AM

From my experience, go with the grizzly. I have a grizzly contractor saw and love it. From what I’ve heard of the problems with the ridgids vs. grizzly, go with the grizzly. I know nothing of the others. I have heard of numerous people having the go715 and just one with the new polar bear and they have had great luck.

-- Bill M. "People change, walnut doesn't" by Gene.

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paxorion

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#2 posted 12-30-2014 02:54 PM

The G0715 does have the same alignment issues as the Ridgid/Craftsman. Jay Bates was the last one I recall posting up his frustration with the saw experiencing the alignment issue. You can read his review of the G0715p.

I haven’t heard anything bad about the Laguna Fusion (5 star reviews across the board on this site). Reviews tend to be good and Tom Iovino has some positive words to say about it on his blog (part 1, part 2). One correction, the Laguna Fusion has cabinet mounted trunnions. Customer service is a different story, as Grizzly has a better reputation over Laguna.

For the Jet, note that it still has table mounted trunnions.

Other saws to consider:

Another option, depending on your time

-- paxorion

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a1Jim

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#3 posted 12-30-2014 03:02 PM

From what I’ve heard is that the Ridgid has it’s alignment problem resolved on the new saws.I don’t have a grizzly table saw but I have had very good service from all of my other Grizzly products.

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rantingrich

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#4 posted 12-30-2014 03:19 PM

I will not buy anymore RIDGID products. My R4512 was a nightmare. If I had it to do all over again a SAWSTOP is what I would of gotten

-- Rich

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ChipByrd

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#5 posted 12-30-2014 03:24 PM

Grizzly has a new hybrid in their catalog. Might want to give it a look.

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knotscott

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#6 posted 12-30-2014 04:22 PM

If you have 220v, the Grizzly G1023RL or G0690 are better buys than the upper end of the 120v hybrids IMHO. They have significantly more power, more robust underpinnings, more mass, and more robust fences, and don’t cost much more.

If you’re limited to 120v, I’d lean toward the Jet Proshop over the Laguna due their better customer service track record, and the all steel fence. The Proshop does have cabinet mounted trunnions, and nearly the same guts as the Fusion and Baleigh hybrids. The Fusion has an aluminum two-piece rail, and Laguna’s CS track record is heavily tarnished. The G0715P is well reviewed and offers a lot for the price…it’d be worth a call to Grizzly’s technical service (not CS) to get their take on the supposedly former alignment issues. Grizzly’s CS is excellent, but if they claim to have no knowledge of the alignment issues ever existing, I’d cough “BS” into the phone and move on.

On the low end, the Delta seems to have the upper hand < $600.

Either way, good setup and blade selection will have a huge impact on the final performance of any of them.

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paxorion

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#7 posted 12-30-2014 05:40 PM



...The Proshop does have cabinet mounted trunnions, and nearly the same guts as the Fusion and Baleigh hybrids.

- knotscott

I stand corrected. Just looked in the manual and saw that the Jet ProShop blade to miter slot adjustments implies cabinet mounted trunnions. Now I wonder why I always thought the Jet ProShop had table-mounted trunnions.

-- paxorion

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#8 posted 12-30-2014 06:01 PM

Here’s my take on buying major tools:

Do NOT buy the cheapest thing you can find, thinking you’ll make do. No one admires someone who buys a cheap tool. This is not like going to WalMart and buying underwear. Buy the tool you need or wait until you can afford it. Why pay money for something that won’t do the job?

Don’t get less than a 10” blade. Don’t use cheap blades. Freud and Forrest for me. Save the Lowe’s blades for ripping salvaged lumber.

Get a good fence or you’re going to be very sorry. Even if you have to buy an after-market, the fence is high on my list, right up there with HP.

Get the most HP you can in what you decide on. You don’t want your blade bogging down when you’re ripping thick stock. My TS has 3HP on 220V and I’m sold on it. Two inch hard maple won’t slow it down.

I used a Craftsman contractor saw for years, cussing its limitations, small motor, and lousy fence. I bit the bullet and bought a Delta Unisaw. It was like going from a 60’s VW to a new Escalade.

You get what you pay for. Why pay twice because you bought cheap the first time? It’ll be a waste of your money if you’re making anything except small objects. My neighbor’s shop was Grizzly in everything. That’s the least tool I would buy.

Just my opinion.

-- --Dale Page

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knotscott

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#9 posted 12-30-2014 06:21 PM

...The Proshop does have cabinet mounted trunnions, and nearly the same guts as the Fusion and Baleigh hybrids.

- knotscott

I stand corrected. Just looked in the manual and saw that the Jet ProShop blade to miter slot adjustments implies cabinet mounted trunnions. Now I wonder why I always thought the Jet ProShop had table-mounted trunnions.

- paxorion

They’re not like the big corner to corner trunnion brackets found on a Unisaw and it’s clones. From a glance at the online manual pics, they looked like table mounted trunnions to me too, but they just happen to mount through the frame brace instead of the to the table top….sort of a modern trend on hybrids. They’re not as robust as the trunnions on industrial cabinet saws, but should still make alignment easier than standard table mounted trunnions.

Here’s the Fusion guts:

And the Proshop guts:

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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drnic

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#10 posted 12-30-2014 06:58 PM

Out of left field…
I have the Bosch 4000 TS. It is loud, but has been good for 10+ years, but now the aluminum pieces are wearing out. I have VERY small shop so I cannot have anything too big. I tried a Craftsman contactors TS, but not too smooth nor accurate even with a link belt and good blade. I researched the old Delta/Rockwell saws out there (1950’s) and found one on craigslist for $50. Another $100 for a good 8” blade and to fix the arbor, built a nice cross cut sled and now am researching an after market fence for it i.e. Delta T2. It is very solid, smooth and quiet with good accuracy for a small to medium size saw. So overall a few hundred bucks or so, but will have to engineer dust collection and a riving system/blade guard. Just an alternative thought…otherwise I will get a SawStop when I grow up.

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tom in indy

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#11 posted 12-30-2014 08:19 PM

I also am needing a Table saw,
I spoke with the Tech Support at Grizzly and asked them point blank about the G0715P.
I told them I was looking for my “last” table saw.
I was told by 2 different techs that I would be better off getting the G1023RL and not have any of the alignment issues.
That was before the new G0771 was in the picture though.
I did download Grizzly’s 2015 catalog, the 1023rl is going up to $1325.00 plus 99 for shipping.
I also looked at the SteelCity 35990C, cast iron wings, for $750, it is a 1.5hp 110/220v, also the 35950 Cabinet saw 1.75hp 110/220v for $1100.

edit
I was looking at the owners manual of the G0771 pages 61&62 about miter slot to blade adjustment. The trunnions are table mounted like a Contractor saw and the G0715P.
good luck

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eljiggo

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#12 posted 01-04-2015 12:22 PM

Thanks for all the input. The Proshop and the Fusion are sticking out the most now. Jet seems to be the more reliable company. Any concerns on the proshop being an older design? How is the dust collection? It seems that the new version has a riving knife. Did this mean a complete re-design at some point recently?

The cool thing about the laguna is it also has a built in mobile base, saves money/hassle.

Thanks again for all the input. Now to convince the fiance. “oh, i’ve had that forever” wont work on a 400lbs table saw.

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paxorion

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#13 posted 01-04-2015 01:48 PM

I got a chance to look at the Laguna Fusion this weekend, and the guts of it does look remarkably like the Jet ProShop. I wouldn’t be surprised the same trunnion parts rolled off the line and went to both Jet and Laguna.

-- paxorion

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