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Forum topic by mandatory66 posted 12-26-2014 07:14 PM 1469 views 0 times favorited 21 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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12-26-2014 07:14 PM

I would like to buy the Carter Stabilizer for my Jet 14” bandsaw and I would also like to make some straight cuts with a fence on occasion. I was wondering if this is practical. I would think that with a fence to guide the cut it would be reasonably straight. I buy rough cut wood and do most of my trimming on the bandsaw before I go to the joiner. I would like to hear from someone who has tried this. Changing the saw guides back for the straight cuts would be a pain.


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#1 posted 12-27-2014 01:39 AM

You will have a very hard time making straight cuts with the Carter Stabilizer and a fence. You are better off following a scribed line using a single point resaw fence – or reinstall your guides for straight cuts.

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#2 posted 12-27-2014 02:58 AM

Go to YouTube and enter Alex Snodgrass. Watch his video on setting up a band saw. It will change your use dramatically.

-- Jerry

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#3 posted 12-27-2014 03:03 AM

gfadvm, My thoughts are the same as yours, I was wishing the Stabilizer would cut straight enough to avoid reinstalling the guides. It won’t be to bad if I get a magnetic fence as it would make taking the table off easy to get at the bottom guides for switching. Pop off the fence,pop off the table Install & set the guides and pop them back on.
Another band saw set up would be better but my problem is limited room. Thanks for your input.

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#4 posted 12-27-2014 05:15 AM

Why do you want to remove the table? The stabilizer is mounted on the upper guide post only… there is nothing needed to do to the lower guides except back them out of the way.

Cheers,
Brad

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#5 posted 12-27-2014 10:50 AM

Here’s my recommendation… If you haven’t already, upgrade the bearings. I had my bandsaw for 10 years, then six months ago replaced the stock bearings with the Carter upgrade kit for my Grizzly 14”. It was the best money I had spent on that saw ever. Once I went through and did a proper setup (also had to replace the wheel tires), the saw cut better and more accurately than ever before. In fact, while I still scribe a center line, I am able to cut a straight line with the bandsaw with a fence attached. There are still things I want to upgrade on the saw (tensioning for one), but now that the bearings and tire wheels have been replaced, it acts like a whole new saw and one I love having in my shop.

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#6 posted 12-27-2014 11:25 AM



Here s my recommendation… If you haven t already, upgrade the bearings. I had my bandsaw for 10 years, then six months ago replaced the stock bearings with the Carter upgrade kit for my Grizzly 14”. It was the best money I had spent on that saw ever. Once I went through and did a proper setup (also had to replace the wheel tires), the saw cut better and more accurately than ever before. In fact, while I still scribe a center line, I am able to cut a straight line with the bandsaw with a fence attached. There are still things I want to upgrade on the saw (tensioning for one), but now that the bearings and tire wheels have been replaced, it acts like a whole new saw and one I love having in my shop.

- wbrisett

Did your grizzly 14 inch come with bearings to begin with? I am getting ready to drop the hammer on a Grizzly 14 inch with a raiser block. The ones I got my eye on already have BEARINGS. are you saying the one on the grizzly should be upgraded with a carter system?

-- Rich

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#7 posted 12-27-2014 05:01 PM

Rich: It did have bearings, but the setup on the Carter kit really is that much better than the Grizzly bearings. I also have the riser kit on my saw. In fact, I ordered the saw with the riser kit and installed it immediately. The way the blade touches the rear bearing on the Carter kit is different than the way Grizzly does, plus it’s just that much easier to deal with doing setups.

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rantingrich

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#8 posted 12-27-2014 05:24 PM

WOW Watch the videos very impressive. So do you need a different carter guide say for a 3/4 or one inch resaw blade.

-- Rich

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#9 posted 12-27-2014 05:27 PM

for the Grizzly 14 inch the carter looks like the same set up the grizzly uses, Upper and lower

-- Rich

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#10 posted 12-27-2014 06:12 PM

Save your money and just learn how to tune up a bandsaw. You can get near perfect cuts right off the standard block guides. I’ve resawn for years with several bandsaws and the only one that didn’t work was the one with roller bearing guides.

People have had good success with the Snodgrass videos so go ahead and give it a try.

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#11 posted 12-27-2014 06:46 PM

Jacob is spot on.. roller guide bearings are pure marketing hype, and blade guides (of any type) are not even used when you use the stabilizer, which is what the OP was asking about.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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#12 posted 12-28-2014 05:53 AM

The thread has seems to be off track. My issue is not with the guides, roller or not. What I am asking is can I make a straight cut with the Carter Sabilizer on the saw which does not even have a bottom guide. If it can, switching back to the normal guides would not be needed. Snodgrass switches saws to make a straight cut, this is why I am asking.

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#13 posted 12-28-2014 01:21 PM



The thread has seems to be off track. My issue is not with the guides, roller or not. What I am asking is can I make a straight cut with the Carter Sabilizer on the saw which does not even have a bottom guide. If it can, switching back to the normal guides would not be needed. Snodgrass switches saws to make a straight cut, this is why I am asking.

- mandatory66

The Stabilizer is for doing “scrolling type cuts”. If you watch the YouTube videos with Alex Snodgrass it will have the info you are looking for. here are a couple of links about the Stabilizer and then a link for the Guides. watch the Bandsaw set up video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGbZqWac0jU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EexhzUmXL4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7gmzra_5_c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_tv7cm0-VU

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#14 posted 12-28-2014 03:50 PM

You can make straight cuts using the Stabilizer by following a scribed line, but NOT but using a fence. You also can’t cut a circle with it using a circle cutting jig. The Stabilizer allows the blade to twist and wander.

-- " I'll try to be nicer, if you'll try to be smarter" gfadvm

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#15 posted 12-28-2014 04:08 PM

I’ve never had any problems making straight cuts with my CS along the fence and rarely ever change back to guides, all of my cuts are done with the CS using the fence, everyone of my projects here on LJ’s all were cut with the CS along the fence, the only time I ever switch back to guides is when I’m cutting logs via 1/2” size resaw blade, now… saying that the CS will only handle up to 1/4” blades so all of my cuts are mostly making smaller boards from larger boards but as mentioned I CS along the fence just fine, never have I had any issues with travel cutting on the fence, the only time I’ve ever had travel it was due to a dull blade.

I use Snodgress’s tuning method and certainly don’t want to steer wrong as it could be that I’m just lucky or perhaps my BS is more forgiving with it? who knows ”shrugs shoulders” also I’m lazy I don’t like switching out from CS to guides since I only have one BS and most of my projects are small and or bandsaw box cuts, so it could be that I’m not really getting true straight cuts but they’re not far off and I always plane the boards after they are cut.

My BS is the G0555P with riser.

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