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Forum topic by TheWoodFish posted 12-25-2014 11:51 PM 2361 views 0 times favorited 30 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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12-25-2014 11:51 PM

Hey guys! Merry Christmas!

I want to buy my first hand plane. Actually I want two. A NO.4 plane and a block plane. I understood that those are the most common. Still, I find it very difficult to choose one. searching Amazon, there are so many brands and kinds.

Can anyone help me choose one?


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#1 posted 12-26-2014 12:09 AM

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#2 posted 12-26-2014 12:13 AM

Bevel Up Smoother
http://www.leevalley.com/en/Wood/page.aspx?p=51870&cat=1,41182,52515
Custom Smoother
http://www.leevalley.com/en/Wood/page.aspx?p=72531&cat=1,41182,72530
I have this block and I love it.
http://www.leevalley.com/en/Wood/page.aspx?p=47881&cat=1,41182,48942

I don’t know the Lie Nielsen but I’m sure it’s very good also.

-- If someone tells you you have enough tools and don't need any more, stop talking to them, you don't need that kind of negativity in your life.

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#3 posted 12-26-2014 12:20 AM

Sorry, I should have said earlier that my budget is around $100-$150.
Will this do the trick?
http://www.amazon.com/Stanley-12-136-Smoothing-Bench-Plane/dp/B002B56CUO/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1419553078&sr=8-4&keywords=hand+plane

Or is this just a smoothing plane? (means not a jack plane?)

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#4 posted 12-26-2014 12:29 AM

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#5 posted 12-26-2014 12:43 AM

You should be able to get into some vintage refurbished stanleys with that price range. You couldnt get into LN or veritas and i only think youd be frustrating yourself with grizzly, groz, buck bros and the like. More than likely theyd all need a bit of work to perform really well. Once you get a fair idea of what a well tuned plane is you can set out and refurbish others or save up for the pricy planes that wont need any work out of the box.

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#6 posted 12-26-2014 12:47 AM

http://lumberjocks.com/topics/52716

Fellow LJer DonW has some for sale and is one of the good guys.

Oops my bad.

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#7 posted 12-26-2014 12:53 AM

As the post header state, I’m looking for a new one. I’ve searched throughout this forum and everyone says to buy a used one… I wonder why. Aren’t there some decent brand new hand planes on the market? it’s not a rocket science…

What is so bad about the brand new stanley or grizzly planes?

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#8 posted 12-26-2014 01:05 AM

There certainly are decent new planes on the market, just not in your price range. If you want a new plane that works well without a lot of tuning, you’ll spend twice your budget. It you buy one in your price range you’ll need to tune it. What the folks here are telling you, if your going to spend that much time tuning, you might as well buy a nice vintage plane and save a bunch of money.

It is your money though.

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#9 posted 12-26-2014 01:21 AM

Out of flat soles, poor mating between the frog and bed, dull irons … Theres a littany of items that make newer, cheaper planes a frustrating experience. My first was a Groz jack and i spent more time, effort and sandpaper on it than my next 4 vintage planes combined. The machining process just isnt up to par in comparison to the other, upper echelon planes.

-- Its not a crack, its a casting imperfection.

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#10 posted 12-26-2014 01:43 AM

Has anyone mention the Wood River planes?

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#11 posted 12-26-2014 01:45 AM


I’ve searched throughout this forum and everyone says to buy a used one… I wonder why. – TheWoodFish

It’s not that everything was better back in the day, but in this case a fairly large number of craftsman depended on their planes every day and that meant they knew what good quality was and paid for it. High quality vintage planes were quite expensive when originally sold. The good news is lots of them have survived and as long as you find one that isn’t pitted with rust, it’s still higher quality than anything of it’s current price range. As said above it’s not until you get to quite a bit higher budgets that tools are available at a similar quality to good vintage planes.

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#12 posted 12-26-2014 01:55 AM

If you must go new, I would suggest a Wood River (as and Bandito pointed out) as it would fit into your price range. Haven’t heard a lot of good feed back on the new Stanley planes, but the old ones are great.

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#13 posted 12-26-2014 02:26 AM


Has anyone mention the Wood River planes?

- bandit571

They’re still a few times more expensive than a vintage plane and over the OP’s budget.
While I think the guy in China has every right to eat too, the treatment of workers there is really bad and the Woodriver planes were straight cast copies of Lie-Nielsen planes, stealing all of their improvements. Everyone can make their own decisions, but after reading up on the Woodriver planes it seems clear the ethics of the people making and selling them are suspect. They are apparently decent quality though.

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#14 posted 12-26-2014 02:27 AM


As the post header state, I m looking for a new one. I ve searched throughout this forum and everyone says to buy a used one… I wonder why. Aren t there some decent brand new hand planes on the market? it s not a rocket science…

What is so bad about the brand new stanley or grizzly planes?

- TheWoodFish

For the first point. Labor, material and machinery costs are much higher in relation to income than when planes were being produced by the thousands instead of by the hundreds. There are far more good quality vintage tools out there than there are people who know how to use them. That means a buyer’s market for the common planes like the smoother and block you are looking for. It’ll take a lot of years before the quantity of vintage tools is reduced enough to get prices up with similar quality new ones.

For the second point. Stanley and the Grizzly planes (which I believe are made by Anant) have to cut manufacturing costs in order to get the prices that low. See the above comment about labor vs. income. That means laborers aren’t as skilled, castings aren’t as precise, machining has looser tolerances and materials have to be cheaper. It all adds up to a tool that is of lower quality than a a vintage one that didn’t have those handicaps at the time they were manufactured.

Your comment of, it’s not rocket science also applies to the manufacturing of the vintage tools. Because of the relative simplicity, the manufacturing techniques of 100 years ago were more than capable of producing a quality tool. The advancements since then don’t affect planes and similar tools as much as things like electronics or automobiles.

As a couple others have mentioned, the Woodriver planes are the lowest priced new ones that consistently get good reviews. They are still quite a bit more expensive than a good refurbished vintage tool.

-- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Thomas Jefferson

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#15 posted 12-26-2014 03:08 AM

As was said, either buy vintage and tune them up, or buy a Lie-Nielsen or Veritas plane. I have all vintage planes so far, but I’ve looked at the newer Stanleys and I’m not impressed. Hoping to get a new LN or Veritas plane soon.

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