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Forum topic by JADobson posted 12-24-2014 04:35 AM 1792 views 0 times favorited 63 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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JADobson

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12-24-2014 04:35 AM

I’ve seen a number of posts lately about ads being placed within member’s postings and from what I have seen most people aren’t happy with it. The biggest complaint is that LJ is changing what we are posting. LJ admins say that only non-members should be able to see those links (but us members can) but that doesn’t change the fact that they are changing what we are writing. And I believe that is inappropriate. It makes it seem as if I endorse a certain product when I actually have no control over what product I’m advertising on their behalf.

What I would like to remind everyone is that us members make this site what it is. We provide ALL the content. Our forum posts, blogs, projects, review, &c. are the only things that draw people here. And the LJ owners profit off of that. Because they also provide the infrastructure free of cost to us that isn’t a problem. We have a symbiotic relationship. However, the owners need to remember that it is symbiotic and should consult LJ members before going ahead with these sorts of changes. We have a stake in what this site looks like and they have an interest in keeping members posting content.

What I propose is that before any major changes like this take place, the changes are clearly outlined and that members be given a chance to vote on whether the changes are in our best interest. Perhaps one vote for every post would help give long time and active contributors a greater amount of say.

What do you think? I’d be really interested to hear from admins and owners.

-- James


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longgone

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#1 posted 12-24-2014 04:41 AM

I agree completely with you but I doubt the people placing these links give a dam

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#2 posted 12-24-2014 05:00 AM

James

Of course I’m not and owner or part of admins.

Even though members are important to sites like Ljs none of us are the owners or the policy makers ,nor are we indispensable. I’ve talked to Cricket about this same issue and she said they would be right on it to fix the problem.

I think LJs is the best woodworking site on line and that we are lucky to have a Community Manager like Cricket that does listen to our problems and makes an effort to makes things right. Some of the other sites online your lucky to get a response at all to a problem and then it’s a toss-up whether something is done about the problem or will you ever hear if any attempt at all was made to fix the problem or answer your question.

Of course we are entitled to say what we like pro or con but let’s keep in mind that we are fortunate to have such a cool place to share and learn,

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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BigRedKnothead

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#3 posted 12-24-2014 09:59 AM

Yep, as I’ve expressed, I am not happy about LJs manipulating my blogs and other work on here by putting bogus links attached to my words. Not happy at all.

Jim- glad you made Cricket aware that it is happening again even with members who are signed in. I don’t think the links should be there for non-members either. What does it say to visitors when a site is fill of bogus links?

Greg- I think think the site would mind if some of their top content producers take a walk.

-- "At the end of the day, try and make it beautiful....because the world is full of ugly." Konrad Sauer

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#4 posted 12-24-2014 12:38 PM

VOTE !?
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What do you think this is… A DEMOCRACY site???
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BWAAAAHAHahahahahahah

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#5 posted 12-24-2014 01:49 PM

I guess you could always write in at the bottom of your project something like Please ignore the blue highlighted links as they do not pertain to my project or posting in any manor or form what so ever, thanks.

-- Randy - If I'm not on LJ's then I'm making Saw Dust. Please feel free to visit my store location at http://www.facebook.com/randy.blackstock.custom.wood.designs

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camps764

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#6 posted 12-24-2014 02:07 PM

Add me to the list of folks that dislike the embedded links in my content. I shouldn’t have to post a disclaimer at the bottom of a blog or project page indicating that I don’t endorse any of the links that were added to my post without my consent.

I understand the need to generate revenue, but I do not agree with the alteration of my content. I’ll stick to forum posts for the time being, and refrain from posting any projects or blogs until things get sorted out. Might not be worth much, but that’s my $.02.

-- Steve

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Blackie_

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#7 posted 12-24-2014 02:18 PM

I just went back over my previous project postings and blogs and am not seeing the blue highlighted links anymore, I also signed out and am still not seeing them on the site anywhere through others projects.

-- Randy - If I'm not on LJ's then I'm making Saw Dust. Please feel free to visit my store location at http://www.facebook.com/randy.blackstock.custom.wood.designs

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gfadvm

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#8 posted 12-24-2014 02:25 PM

The highlighted links are still appearing after I’m logged in. They are not nearly as annoying as the constant pop up and audio ads though.

-- " I'll try to be nicer, if you'll try to be smarter" gfadvm

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JADobson

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#9 posted 12-24-2014 03:04 PM



I agree completely with you but I doubt the people placing these links give a dam

- Greg..the Cajun Wood Artist

They really should. It is in their best interests to keep members happy. When we stop posting advertisers will stop paying.


James

Of course I m not and owner or part of admins.

Even though members are important to sites like Ljs none of us are the owners or the policy makers ,nor are we indispensable. I ve talked to Cricket about this same issue and she said they would be right on it to fix the problem.

I think LJs is the best woodworking site on line and that we are lucky to have a Community Manager like Cricket that does listen to our problems and makes an effort to makes things right. Some of the other sites online your lucky to get a response at all to a problem and then it s a toss-up whether something is done about the problem or will you ever hear if any attempt at all was made to fix the problem or answer your question.

Of course we are entitled to say what we like pro or con but let s keep in mind that we are fortunate to have such a cool place to share and learn,

- a1Jim

Jim, thanks for pointing out something that I failed to make clear in my original post. This is a great site. But what makes it great? The people on here. The members who will help out a fellow member who can’t afford new tools or who organize swaps or provide answers to questions. They are all fantastic. And they are indispensable. Remove all member generated content on this website and what do you have? A really nice skeleton. Nothing of any substance whatsoever. Like I said earlier the site owners provide absolutely no content. They rely on us for that and should take notice if we don’t like something.

I’m realizing that many of you don’t seem to care that LJ is using your work to advertise products without your ability to at least know what is being advertised. Just ask yourself how happy you would be if there was a link from one of your posts to a company that gave you really bad customer service or a shoddy product. It looks like you are advocating that product or service and you can’t say otherwise. It doesn’t matter if the links disappear when you are logged in. It still shows for non-members and your work is still advertising something that you can’t control. At least with sidebar ads and pop ups there is a disassociation with member’s work.

I would still like to hear an owner of Lumberjocks weigh in on this.

-- James

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#10 posted 12-24-2014 03:18 PM

Folks, I cannot get rid of the ads. They make it possible for this site to be here.

Hopefully y’all know me well enough by now to know that I do everything in my power to help make things better for you, but some things are simply out of my control. These contextual links were announced back in June and the old owners agreed to find a balance by only displaying them to guests. We announced when it started and then later in that thread, the company agreed to have them only display for guests. http://lumberjocks.com/topics/61760

A mistake was made by the advertisers that made the contextual links display for everyone for a few days. When you hover over the links they are clearly identified as ads. As soon as I notified our new owners that the links were showing for everyone again, not just guests, they took care of it immediately for us, on Christmas Eve day! These new owners also put us on a brand new server this week so that we would not have to deal will so many slow downs and technical issues. ​

-- "Show respect even to people who don’t deserve it, not as a reflection of their character, but as a reflection of yours."

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JADobson

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#11 posted 12-24-2014 03:26 PM

Hi Cricket, I’m sorry if I made it sound as if I want all ads to go away. I don’t. They allow this great site to be free for members. And that is fantastic. What I strenuously object to is ads that make it look like us members are promoting products. We are given no control over what gets advertised in our postings. Furthermore, because we are logged in to post we will likely never see the ads ourselves so we will have no idea what we are promoting. It isn’t right and it isn’t a balanced approach. There should never be a chance that visitors to the site (or members) will confuse what is content and what is advertising.

I do want to say thank you for your work here. It is a tough job. I really hope you can at least show my concerns to the owners and remind them that we create all of this content for them to profit from for free. Some respect for that would be appreciated.

-- James

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NoThanks

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#12 posted 12-24-2014 03:56 PM

My say (that doesn’t mean much) is advertise all you want.
Add another side bar if you must,
put another box at the bottom, whatever. BUT DUMP VIGILINK

I understand that Vigilink is paying for the right to do what they are doing and the site is profiting by it,
but it’s NOT COOL to alter our posts by letting them add links in OUR content.

Doesn’t matter if it was mentioned before or not, facts are that NOBODY LIKES IT!!!

VIGILINK IS NOT COOL

-- Because I'm gone, that's why!

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a1Jim

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#13 posted 12-24-2014 04:04 PM

I don’t care for that approach either . We may have to start our post with a disclaimer like this.

”Please note anything that is highlighted like a link in my comment has not been incorporated by me,it is an advertisement that has been installed by the owners of Lumberjocks.”

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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#14 posted 12-24-2014 04:14 PM

This makes me want to post about “crotch wood” and see what links are added.

-- “Big man, pig man, ha ha, charade you are.” ― R. Waters

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Mustang67

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#15 posted 12-24-2014 04:50 PM

Please note anything that is highlighted like a link in my comment has not been incorporated by me,it is an advertisement that has been installed by the owners of Lumberjocks. (Thanks a1Jim)

I just started noticing this yesterday when I typed “deck boards”. I clicked on the link, but my virus protection recommended that I not continue because the site “This site might contain links to viruses or other software programs that can reveal personal information stored or typed on your computer to malicious persons.”

I agree that Cricket has a tough job, and I don’t want to make it more difficult. I also understand that advertising is what pays for this site, and is what allows me to enjoy other members projects and share mine. I also do not have as big a stake as many other members who do wood work as more than just a hobby. Nonetheless, I don’t like the appearance that I’ve advocated something when I have no idea what it is.

I’m also concerned that if my virus protection is picking it up, what is being collected and revealed.

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