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Forum topic by bluplanet posted 12-14-2014 04:28 AM 1161 views 0 times favorited 8 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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12-14-2014 04:28 AM

I’m makin a nice picnic table for a friend. It has sawhorse style legs. The underside and legs are black over red paint. That part came out well.
I’m working on the top now and think I messed up. He wants the top of the table and benches stained a shade of brown.
It’s pine and I didn’t want it to get blotchy so I used Minwax oil PreStain. I cant use regular Minwax stain over top of it though because it’s for interior use only.
But after putting the PreStain on one of the benches, I realized I hadn’t read the can. The PreStain also says “interior only”.

What have I done?
Where do I go from here?

I guess I may as well PreStain the other bench and table top so the problem is at least consistant. But do I have a problem?

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#1 posted 12-14-2014 04:52 AM

It’s your top coat that will offer the protection from the elements so don’t be too concerned with the prestain.its to help prevent blotching,but oil prestain is not a 100% effective. If this is going to be out side your best with a finish like spar varnish. No finsih is long term for direct sunlight outdoors.

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#2 posted 12-16-2014 04:44 PM

Thank you, a1Jim.
I found a SW Deckscapes oil based product that matches the customer’s color preference on sale. I’m going to try that .

The underside of the table and legs are painted with a splash coat of black over 3 coats of red. Its a process used on furniture with milk paint quite often, but I’m doing it with latex. I mixed the first coat of red with a bit of white glue to make it into a primer. Seems to be working ok so far. I thinned the top coat of Black with water quite a bit, so the red can sort of be seen through it here and there. It seems to be ok, but it’s stability has me a bit worried. I mixed Flowtrol with all coats.

I’m wondering if I should put a coat of wiping varnish over the paint.
Can I even put a coat of varnish over latex paint?

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#3 posted 12-16-2014 04:56 PM

Varnish is gonna “yellow” somewhat.


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#4 posted 12-16-2014 06:13 PM

Do you think some spar varnish on the underside might do better? Maybe over the whole table? I’m actually completely new at finishing wood. This is my second project and my first was a loft bed for my grandson. It was a disaster that required stripping my first paint job off and starting over again.

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#5 posted 12-16-2014 06:23 PM

UV in sunlight, moisture, humidity, rain, and temperature shifts – all of these factors can really do a number on your wood. If your wood is going to be outdoors, it is best to protect it with a finish designed for use outdoors, like Helmsman® Spar Urethane, Water Based Helmsman® Spar Urethane or Helmsman® Teak Oil. These products offer outdoor wood special protection against UV light, temperature changes and moisture. They work great on most outdoor wood, but on large surfaces that would be hard to maintain, like a deck, it would be better to use a product like Thompson’s® WaterSeal® Water Proofer Plus Clear Wood Protector which does not need to be stripped or sanded in order to be refinished.

From Minwax ^

That’s a good looking project you got going on. Maybe email Minwax and
figure a way to make it top shelf like your craftsmanship.

Good job bluplanet!

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#6 posted 12-16-2014 06:40 PM

Thats a hell of a nice table. Hellsmans is a great brand. I’ve heard good reviews on the Deckscapes never used it though. I have always used TWP on exterior wood. It penetrates deep and holds up well. Not trying to confuse you just giving you another option. You can google TWP stain

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#7 posted 12-16-2014 11:49 PM

I was actually looking for TWP, but I wanted the stain quickly, or at least be able to look at color samples on real wood to order from. The nearest dealer is 150 miles away in another state.

I guess I’ll order color samples from them to use for my next project.

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#8 posted 12-17-2014 05:44 AM

Yeah, its not always the easiest to find, usually just amber/clear. It is a great sealer, haven’t found anythig better yet. Not suue of your area but make sure you get the right series of stain for your area. There are several series.

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