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Forum topic by Chris posted 07-13-2007 04:51 AM 1840 views 0 times favorited 37 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Chris

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07-13-2007 04:51 AM

I currently have a nice #3, #4, #5 & #8 old Stanley’s as well as a new L&N adjustable mouth BLock Plane (love it). My wife gave me permission to spend $300.00 as my birthday gift. I was considering a shoulder plane….

Anyone have a suggestion?

-- "Everything that is great and inspiring is created by the individual who labors in freedom" -- Albert Einstein


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#1 posted 07-13-2007 06:12 AM

Here is a link to gravediggers review of his Veritas Shoulder plane – http://lumberjocks.com/jocks/TheGravedigger/blog/1377

More reviews of the plane are on this page

http://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7777

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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#2 posted 07-13-2007 11:13 AM

I just received the LV medium (haven’t even had a fair chance at useing the blasted thing! – but sure want to!) after trying to decide whether to go LV med or large, LN med or large, or a Clifton model. Stanley’s were out of the running early on. Just not enough plane, nor quality (the newer English made planes).

After getting a feel for the LNs, I decided that they weren’t as comfortable as the LV even looked! So, I made the decision to start with the LN medium (will be most useful on the scale of work I do), and then potentially go for the large down the line…

-- Dorje (pronounced "door-jay"), Seattle, WA

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#3 posted 07-13-2007 11:38 AM

I adore my Lee Valley-Veritas medium shoulder plane, and after reading the Digger’s review now wish I had gotten it’s big brother (because of the bullnose feature). I have never had my hands on a Lie-Nieson plane, but they are slightly more expensive than the Veritas, and are essentially just finely made updates of Leonard Bailey’s bedrock series of planes. Veritas however re-thought and up-engineered the design to something new and I think improved.
I have yet to buy a dog from Lee Valley. They have an excellent and competitive hardware catalogue as well.

-- "Bordnerizing" perfectly good lumber for over a decade.

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#4 posted 07-13-2007 02:20 PM

Here are some reviews of the LN Plane. This is the one I have been leaning towards. The comfort discussions relative to the one from LV have me wondering about my leanings.

http://www.taunton.com/finewoodworking/ToolGuide/ToolGuideProduct.aspx?id=28718

http://www.sawdustandshavings.com/hand_tools/lie-nielsen_shoulder_plane_review.asp

http://www.inthewoodshop.org/reviews/ln73.shtml

http://blogs.popularwoodworking.com/editorsblog/Tool+Test++LieNielsen+Medium+Shoulder+Plane+.aspx

Of course if money is no object….

http://www.woodworking-magazine.com/blog/First+Look+Bridge+City+HP7+Shoulder+Plane+.aspx

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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#5 posted 07-13-2007 05:33 PM

I got the Lee Valley/Veritas medium shoulder plane last December for a mother-in-law project and have used it quite a bit since then. I like it a lot—it’s certainly my most-used plane currently. The only thing I’m still not sure about (bear in mind this is 7 months later, so maybe it just isn’t really that big a deal to me) is the adjustable knob on the upper back side that swings 180 degrees to fit the web of your hand while using it. It’s handy, but seems too small to really bear down on, so I mostly just tighten my grip if the going gets tough. Otherwise, fit and finish are superb and I would certainly buy it again. Wish I could say that about all my hand tools :) Good luck.

-- Pat Mulry, Dallas, Texas || www.lonestarpokertables.com

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#6 posted 07-13-2007 05:51 PM

Douglas – I believe the LN shoulder planes are Preston copies. When I was first looking into them I liked the romantic notion of having one of the LNs, they certainly are beautiful, but I really liked the new ideas that the LV offered, even though it wasn’t quite as aesthetically pleasing…

It grows on you though!

Chris, et al. also see: Shoulder Planes Reviewed (if you haven’t already – may need FWW membership)

-- Dorje (pronounced "door-jay"), Seattle, WA

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#7 posted 07-13-2007 05:52 PM

Just checked FWW membership is required. Guess I am going to have to drop the $$$

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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#8 posted 07-13-2007 05:58 PM

By the way – I had read that even a large plane is great for smaller work because of the overall weight and originally was going to purchase a large, but again, after holding the LNs at Woodcraft (which I lovingly refer to as Woodcrap) to get a feel for them, I just could not see hefting so much weight on the more delicate projects (for too long at a time)...So, I changed gears and started looking at the mediums!

Also see: the Clifton 3110 (one of the other contenders).

The other Clifton shoulder planes can be seen at the above link as well.

-- Dorje (pronounced "door-jay"), Seattle, WA

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#9 posted 07-13-2007 06:07 PM

Doug, your LV medium will do the chisel-plane thing as well. Simply remove the adjustable mouth section and voila!

Wayne, the FWW membership is worth every penny. Great articles, reviews, and video. I love it!

-- Robert - Visit my woodworking blog: http://littlegoodpieces.wordpress.com

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#10 posted 07-13-2007 09:01 PM

Ok everyone….. I see a large percentage of you like the LV.

My next question is which blade; O1 or A2?

-- "Everything that is great and inspiring is created by the individual who labors in freedom" -- Albert Einstein

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#11 posted 07-13-2007 09:18 PM

Gravedigger,

In looking at the medioum LV on their website it appears the upper portion of the plane body would be in the way if one were to use it as a chisel plane.Does this hold true in practice? (Illustration)

-- "Everything that is great and inspiring is created by the individual who labors in freedom" -- Albert Einstein

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#12 posted 07-14-2007 04:44 AM

It’s going to depend on how deep the rabbet/dado/whatever is. I’ll measure the overhang on mine tomorrow and let you know. I’m thinking it’s 3/4”-1” or so, but don’t hold me to that.

I went with the O1 blade. I’ve got oilstones, so they aren’t as agressive as waterstones. The O1 seemed a better choice for that. The A2 should hold an edge longer, but I’ve had excellent durability from the O1. In either case, they do a great job of lapping the back of the blade. Mine was perfectly flat.

-- Robert - Visit my woodworking blog: http://littlegoodpieces.wordpress.com

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#13 posted 07-14-2007 07:59 AM

I went with A2 in the LV shoulder plane, just cause, other than my Stanley’s – with stock irons (no Hock’s -yet), the couple of LN planes I own have A2 irons and I’ve been very pleased -

I use a 1000, 3000, 6000 waterstone combo for sharpening and honing (usually just the 1000 and 6000 though) then polish with a strop.

-- Dorje (pronounced "door-jay"), Seattle, WA

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Douglas Bordner

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#14 posted 07-14-2007 10:29 AM

Digger, thank you immeasurably. I had no idea. God help me keep out of the garage at 3:25 am CST!
Dorje, aren’t the bench planes Bailey inspired? I got off thread admittedly. This is shoulder plane chat.

-- "Bordnerizing" perfectly good lumber for over a decade.

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WayneC

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#15 posted 07-14-2007 03:17 PM

Hmmmm. I hope Chris forgives the diversion. Hock is a slippery slope. You will want more than one. Just like good potato chips.

I have both High Carbon and A2 blades and Hock Chip breakers in several of my planes. My “best” smoothing plane ATM is a #5 Bedrock with a Hock A2 blade and chip breaker. This is compaired to my “next best” which is a LN #4. I’ve also got a Stanley #65 low angle block plane with a Hock blade in it. It also cuts exceptionally.

I would recommend trying out Hock blades in your Stanleys if you get a chance. I am also looking at buying some of the blades he has designed for build your own planes.

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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