water based finish over water based dye question

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Forum topic by sanfranciscocedarco posted 12-12-2014 08:27 PM 832 views 0 times favorited 4 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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12-12-2014 08:27 PM

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dyed a piece with a few coats of water based dye then sealed with shellac. I then applied a coat of GF high performance. After that had dried I took the dye filled sponge that I had kept in zip lock bag all night and wiped a very light glaze over the top as a toner. I never dipped it back in the dye just used the leftovers and it left a nice thin coat that deepened the color nicely. My question is now how long should I wait to spray the final topcoat? it will also be GF high performance. Do I need to seal to again? It’s perfect and I don’t want to screw it up.

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#1 posted 12-12-2014 08:33 PM

I’ve used the GF dye followed by GF water-based poly several times. I’ve never shellacked in between, but if you’re spraying, you should be able to spray it as soon as it feels dry.


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#2 posted 12-12-2014 08:58 PM

Go for it. No need for shellac at this point. Add a final coat of clear and smile!

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#3 posted 12-12-2014 09:15 PM

If you spray it will be ok, but you can have bleed.

I make it a policy to mix.

If i’m water base finish, its alcahol dye.

Oil finish then water base dye

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#4 posted 12-13-2014 12:36 PM

I suspect the “toner” dye coat on top will bleed some with another topcoat. My method is to tone the shellac sealer coat that goes over the dye stain on the wood. I use Transtint dye mixed directly in the shellac. While I have had dye always bleed into a waterbase topcoat to some extent, I’ve never had the toned shellac bleed. I also lightly tone the waterbase topcoats with Transtint – all of the waterbase topcoats end up with a blueish or pinkish hue to them when light hits at a certain angle, and the light tinting keeps it from occurring.

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