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Forum topic by toddbeaulieu posted 12-08-2014 02:17 PM 795 views 0 times favorited 10 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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toddbeaulieu

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12-08-2014 02:17 PM

Hello,

Would like to hear any opinions on table saw/fence size.

I have a smallish shop that’s 22’ x 22’ and an ever growing collection of large tools. At the moment I have a center post (post and beam barn) that really dictates my layout and eliminating it is an upcoming project that I’m not sure of the timeline.

I bought my saw used from a cabinet maker and it came with a massive footprint capable of a sheet of plywood on both the infeed and outfeed. I cannot presently make use of much of that to the right of the blade. In fact, I’ve got a band saw on the infeed right side.

So this weekend I started thinking. Should I get another 3 HP cabinet saw with a smaller footprint/fence? Should I take that fence off and buy a 32” incra? I really like the 3 HP as I tend to rip a lot of heavy stuff. Exchanging the saw would have an added advantage of switching from right tilt to left tilt which I assume would work better for a right hander.

Any thoughts?


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hoosier0311

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#1 posted 12-08-2014 02:39 PM

If you eventually going to get rid of the center beam that is causing the trouble, why get a new saw? seems like a big expense, that will leave you wanting your old saw back?

-- atta boy Clarence!

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toddbeaulieu

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#2 posted 12-08-2014 02:54 PM

I’m really not sure when that project will take place. I have to replace the entire loft with LVL/structural components and I have … what … 800 bd ft of lumber up there currently. Ugh. Not looking forward to that project.

Also, I’m not convinced that I even need to rip wide ply. In a perfect world, sure, but I can make the first cut outside and then finish on the saw. Even if I removed the center beam this is a small shop to fit what I’m trying to fit and a TS with a 54” infeed and outfeed takes up as much space as four machines.

As for the cost, I figured I could sell mine and buy another used one.

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retfr8flyr

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#3 posted 12-08-2014 03:27 PM

I would go with the Incra fence, I have the Incra on my Jet and I am very happy with it. You could also go with a stock Jet 30” fence. The Incra fence still requires some extra room, for the positioner but I haven’t found it to be a problem in my small shop area. Once you get used to the Incra, you won’t want to use anything else.

-- Earl

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bonesbr549

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#4 posted 12-08-2014 03:35 PM

Ya, know I had my Griz 1023 with 7’ rails for 10 years and complained about the space. Then upgraded to the SS ICS and thought I’d drop down to the small table. In the end though i decided that since i was dropping a bundle i’d go ahead and get the bigger table. Again, bitching about the space, but I use it for so much and the ocasion I need it, glad i got it. your only talking 4-6 square feet of diff. You shop dos not seem that awful small. My first shope was 10×12. Put a good mobile base on it and slider her out of the way when not in used.

-- Sooner or later Liberals run out of other people's money.

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muleskinner

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#5 posted 12-08-2014 03:48 PM

How about just cutting down your current fence rails and table extensions to the size you feel is appropriate for your shop? If it was me, and I was otherwise happy with the saw, I’d consider it (admittedly with some trepidation) rather than going through the hassle of finding a replacement saw.

-- Visualize whirled peas

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toddbeaulieu

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#6 posted 12-08-2014 03:50 PM

Earl, I have and L O V E the Incra LS Positioner on my router table. Assumed I’d love it on the TS but have read mixed reviews. I will revisit it. Marc Spagnolo wasn’t enamored with it. I should re-read his review. I wish I could see it in action and hear more about your experience with it.

Try to fit this stuff:

Cabinet Saw
Workbench
Assembly table
8 ” jointer
12” dewalt planer with pass through infeed/outfeed sled
15” 4 poster planer
10 ” band saw
14” band saw
18” band saw
16” drum sander
Large Mechanics toolbox on a bench
Oversized router table
Dust collector
12 ft miter saw cabinet with 30” deep drawers.

This is a lot of crap!

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TheWoodenOyster

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#7 posted 12-08-2014 04:05 PM

Two different solutions in my book.

1- Send me your tools. Then you’ll have plenty of room…

2- Is there a way to reduce the huge footprint of the saw? I assume the footprint isn’t all part of the saw and there are infeed/outfeed tables that can be removed? I know the sort of set up you are talking about and usually the infeed and outfeeds are shopmade additions. I might be wrong though.

-- The Wood Is Your Oyster

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Fred Hargis

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#8 posted 12-08-2014 04:13 PM



How about just cutting down your current fence rails and table extensions to the size you feel is appropriate for your shop? If it was me, and I was otherwise happy with the saw, I d consider it (admittedly with some trepidation) rather than going through the hassle of finding a replacement saw.

- muleskinner


^^^^^^^^^^^ they aren’t that hard to shorten up, and you can make it some in between length if there’s room.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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toddbeaulieu

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#9 posted 12-08-2014 04:40 PM

Yeah, that 52” fence is B I G. Before I had all these other tools I liked it, but it just dominates the shop. Over the past few years I’ve chopped down the outfeed more and more (currently considering building a 14” outfeed with a fold down extension).

I’ve been looking on CL and so far almost all the saws I see are just as long. There’s one Jet that’s a newer model than mine and is left tilt. It’s a bit shorter. Assuming I could get $800 for mine I’d be paying an additional $800 for the exchange. Not sure it’s worth it. Of course, not being in a hurry gives me the luxury to think this through and wait for the “perfect” saw to come along.

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retfr8flyr

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#10 posted 12-08-2014 09:16 PM



Earl, I have and L O V E the Incra LS Positioner on my router table. Assumed I d love it on the TS but have read mixed reviews. I will revisit it. Marc Spagnolo wasn t enamored with it. I should re-read his review. I wish I could see it in action and hear more about your experience with it.

Try to fit this stuff:

Cabinet Saw
Workbench
Assembly table
8 ” jointer
12” dewalt planer with pass through infeed/outfeed sled
15” 4 poster planer
10 ” band saw
14” band saw
18” band saw
16” drum sander
Large Mechanics toolbox on a bench
Oversized router table
Dust collector
12 ft miter saw cabinet with 30” deep drawers.

This is a lot of crap!

- toddbeaulieu


It does take a little getting use to. At first I kept looking down for the setting, instead of over at the positioner. After a little while it was second nature to look at the positioner and lock it down. I am not knocking Marc but he is sponsored by Powermatic and I think that was a contributing factor, for ditching the Incra. I absolutely love mine and the accuracy and repeat ability is amazing. I don’t even measure anymore, if I want 9¼ inches I can put the scale on 9¼ and lock it. I know it will be exactly 9¼ inches. No more measuring 3 or 4 times, while tapping the fence and then making a test cut, just to be sure.

-- Earl

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