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atcaw94

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12-07-2014 06:10 AM

I am in the market for a new tablesaw, my old Craftsman has scared me for the last time. I am in the middle of an aquarium stand project and have had 2-3 kickbacks that have made me consider a new table saw. The fence is a flimsy POS.

I can pick up a used Ridgid TS 3660 for around $350. Owner claims it was only used to deck his boat, and is like new. I checked out the Delta at Lowe’s yesterday and like it, especially the safety features. I have a $100 gift card, and the 10% military discount, so that would bring the price of the Delta down to around the same as the Ridgid. There is also a Vega Pro fence a guy pulled of of his Powermatic that he is asking $175 for.

I am a hobbyist, so have no need for a $1000 saw. I’m retired just looking to build some simple cabinets, etc.

So, which would be the better saw/buy? Would the Vega fence fix my Craftsman problem, or should I just upgrade while the wife is willing to let me…..;)

Thanks for you input.
DJ

-- A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do, and that's all a man can do.


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hoosier0311

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#1 posted 12-07-2014 06:17 AM

I have the 3650 Rigid saw, I like it. No problems with it in several years. 350 seems high for a used model though. I paid a tad under 500 for it new 8 or 9 years ago. I can’t speak to the Delta saw as I have never owed one. Don’t know what model of old craftsman you have but the biggest bang for the buck might be upgrading that. Some of the old C man saws were very good.

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#2 posted 12-07-2014 12:52 PM

There are pros and cons with each, so you’ll have to decide which features mean the most to you. The 3650 is a well proven work horse with cast iron wings, Herculift, and a decent fence. It also sports older technology like an outboard motor and a traditional splitter….no warranty at this point I’d assume. The Delta is has only been out for a little over a year, but features a hybrid design with an inboard motor, a true riving knife, and a warranty….the Delta T2 clone is a decent fence, but the front rail is split into two pieces. Earlier reports have been largely favorable. On the downside it has stamped steel wings, and has less mass. The pricing you mentioned for the Delta is attractive…the 3650 is a tad high IMO. The Vega fence would be a nice upgrade for either saw, but you might find that it’s not necessary, as both stock fences are pretty serviceable…..$175 for a used Vega is a fair price, but not great.

Which Craftsman saw do you have? The older Emerson made contractor saws have a great deal in common with the 3650. Their fence was the achilles heal, so if you have a US made full size cast iron contractor saw with a belt drive motor hanging out the back, that has that nasty old steel fence….yeah, a good fence could improve that saw. It might be a bit cheaper to put a used Vega on the old Cman, but true cost of a new saw would be the out the door cost minus whatever you can sell the Cman for….prolly ~ $100….so the new saw could actually be pretty darn close to the cost of the old saw with fence upgrade.

Ultimately, the end performance will be largely decided by proper setup and good blade selection. Tips for Picking Saw Blades

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atcaw94

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#3 posted 12-07-2014 02:11 PM

Hoosier, I agree on the Rigid being high. I read where they were clearanced for $299 at HD when they quit selling them. The actual saw is in the link below.

Knotscot, The Craftsman I have is not the contractor model. I like the idea of a warranty on the Delta, and I thought the same thing about cost after selling the Craftsman. I would probably end up paying under $400 for the new Delta.

Another thread someone posted has the actual Rigid saw I was going to look at. The last poster listed some of the saws for sale on the Atlanta area Craigslist.
http://lumberjocks.com/topics/66020

The Delta looks like a pretty good deal, though unsure of the extension. Does it fold down or permanently attached?:

The Grizzly would not work for me being 220V. Also, I have emailed him and never received a reply.

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David_H

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#4 posted 12-07-2014 02:51 PM

At that price the grizzly is probably sold, that was a crazy good deal. I would just buy the Vega fence and put it on the craftsman and if you havent already put PALS on do that as well. Cost will bring you to around $200. The Ridgid is a side step not a real upgrade. If it has the original fence on there then IMO it’s not that much of an upgrade over the craftsman steel fence. I have used both and no matter what I did fence would not start straight.

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Bill White

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#5 posted 12-07-2014 03:37 PM

Given the status of Delta parts and service today, I wouldn’t touch ANYTHING with the Delta brand. Maybe they’ll get their head out of an orifice ( I hope ) and again begin to support a once fine brand.
Bill

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#6 posted 12-07-2014 05:43 PM

WOAD..go with the 3650. it is modeled after the 3612, which, IMHO, was one of the best 10” CI contractor TS ever offered to the public. the fence can be made every bit as accurate and easy to use as a tsquare, and it has many other desireable features, not the least of which is the eccentric lever on the rear trunion that make aligning the blade to the miter slot much easier than the old “tap with a hammer and beater block” method of the older c-man and lesser ridgid saws. $350 may be $50 too high. if it’sin good condition, its a tried and true design with great functionality. in a hobbyist’s shop it will probably never be outgrown.

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#7 posted 12-07-2014 05:48 PM


The Delta looks like a pretty good deal, though unsure of the extension. Does it fold down or permanently attached?:

- atcaw94

The extensions are fixed. Here’s a long thread on the Delta 36-725.
http://lumberjocks.com/replies/on/2711572

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atcaw94

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#8 posted 12-07-2014 07:44 PM


The Delta looks like a pretty good deal, though unsure of the extension. Does it fold down or permanently attached?:

- atcaw94

The extensions are fixed. Here s a long thread on the Delta 36-725.
http://lumberjocks.com/replies/on/2711572

- WhyMe

Sorry, meant the Delta contractor saw in the craigslist link.

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dbmguy

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#9 posted 12-08-2014 12:29 AM

atcaw94,

I have had the Delta 36-725 for some time now and really do like it. my old saw was a much older delta contractor saw. The 36-725 is a smooth running/no vibration/relatively quiet saw and I can say, probably much easier to align blade to miter than the Rigid. I believe on the Rigid you must loosen and move the trunnion(s). There are two things that I don’t care for on the Delta: 1. The thin/flimsy throat plate and 2. instability in moving the saw about. The Delta is on rollers; but, the rollers are not spaced wide enough or maybe it’s just the weight distribution. When you roll the saw about (Even on level concrete floors), it is very easy to tilt the saw over to one side/corner (raise one roller off the floor). Other than that, I am most pleased with the Delta 36-725.

BTW, you can now get the zero clearance and dado throat plates (From Delta) for the 36-725

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alittleoff

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#10 posted 12-08-2014 01:00 AM

I can’t tell you a lot about which saw to buy or really the best deal, but I fell in love with the new delta I saw at lowes a few weeks ago and finally bought one the day before Thanksgiving. I’m pretty good at putting things together so didn’t have any problems with that part at all. The saw really went together easy and no problems of anything being out of line. I’ve used it only a few times since I bought it and I’m glad I did. The saw is very quiet, blade is true, fence is out of this world compared to what I had and it’s smooth as silk. Today bought a incra 1000hd mitre gage to go with it even though it came with a pretty good mitre gage. I give the Delta 5 stars all the way, and think it’s a good deal. What ever you decide on research it as I did before you buy and make sure your satisfied. You will be the one using it for hopefully a long time. Good luck.

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atcaw94

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#11 posted 12-08-2014 03:09 AM

Well, broke down today and bought the Delta. After the gift card and military discount, paid $476 out the door. Figure if I sell my Craftsman for even $100, I got a brand new saw with a 5 year warranty for $376.
I decided against the used Rigid cause it was at least an hour drive one way for a used saw with no warranty.
Reading tinman’s great review on here made me really start researching and considering it.

Appreciate all the input from everyone. Now on to building that aquarium stand that’s been on hold for a month….;)

-- A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do, and that's all a man can do.

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toddbeaulieu

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#12 posted 12-08-2014 01:46 PM

I gotta say that I’m dubious of blaming the saw for kickback. Even the most expensive saw, if not tuned correctly (fence to blade parallelism) or used correctly WILL kick back.

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Lazyman

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#13 posted 12-08-2014 04:14 PM

THETINMAN did a great review here of the Delta 36-725:
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3881.

I bought mine partly based upon his review. Like any of the low end saws, there are compromises but overall this is a good saw for the price. One thing that pushes this over the top compared to the Ridgid (at least for me since I have no experience with the Ridgid saw ), is the great customer service that Delta has been providing lately. There have been a few quality control issues reported but contacting customer support has yielded immediate fixes via both email and phone support. I had a very slightly warped riving knife and with just a couple of emails, I had a new one in hand 2 days later via mail. THETINMAN has provided some good tips on tuning the saw after you get it assembled. My vote would be with the 36-725, unless you want to take the opportunity to spend more money and get a hybrid or cabinet saw. I was originally going to order the Grizzly hybrid saw but opted for this one because of supply and delivery issues with Grizzly and I am happy with the cheaper saw.

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atcaw94

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#14 posted 12-08-2014 04:49 PM

Lazyman, I was looking at the Rigid until I read all the horrible reviews. After reading till my eyes crossed, I felt that for the money the Delta was best for me. I may have gotten a good used saw, but for not much more money, I got a new one with a warranty. Hoping to start assembling it tomorrow. Don’t think I’ll feel like it today after a root canal later today….

-- A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do, and that's all a man can do.

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atcaw94

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#15 posted 12-08-2014 04:53 PM



I gotta say that I m dubious of blaming the saw for kickback. Even the most expensive saw, if not tuned correctly (fence to blade parallelism) or used correctly WILL kick back.

- toddbeaulieu

I tried aligning the fence and blade numerous times. I may have tried a more expensive sawblade, but not only was the fence a flimsy, cheap POS, the extendable wings were flimsy also. There was no way to keep everything level. I’m not saying a more experienced woodworker could have made this saw work, I was just tired of fighting it.

-- A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do, and that's all a man can do.

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