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12-05-2014 08:26 PM

Topic tags/keywords: history tree rings blue oak

California has been in a severe drought for the last three years and, although we have had 167% of normal in the last few days we are not out of the woods yet as we have not made up for the previous sparse years.

An article in the San Jose Mercury News relates a study shows to put this drought into perspective by looking at tree rings.

Interesting to say the least!

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#1 posted 12-06-2014 02:13 AM

It might be at its worst but all I remember is droughts in LA. Really laying all your eggs on tree rings doesn’t seem to be a true measure of drought. There is so many variables to growth in trees it just doesn’t seem reliable to this idiot.
The only real problem is there is far to many people in Cali and the more people the worse the draughts are felt. I think some biologist needed a new car and needed a new grant to buy it.
All be it, interesting but unnecessary research. Not trying to negative just seems more and more scientists are performing uneccessary experiment to justify their existance as a scientist.

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#2 posted 12-06-2014 03:58 AM

The study, which discusses the methodology and why a the specific tree species was chosen, was attached to the article. Trying to understand if this current drought is merely part of a ‘normal’ extended cycle or an extreme seems kind of a viable thing to my mind, especially since I live in California. Since most studies really don’t actually pay all that well (especially environmental studies), I can’t see some scientist actually making money on this.

Science is like fishing. You never know when you are going to come up with that whopper of a fish or the one that got away. Even if you got the whopper, maybe you won’t recognize it but someone else will years later and go on to do awesome things.

The data is also available is you want to look at it and draw your own or competing conclusions or challenge the study as well. That is how science is supposed to work. People research, study, publish, etc.

The problem is a little broader then ‘to many people in California’. It also involves farm policy, farming marginal areas though canals, draining the aquifers. Big old long back and forth discussion, etc. But really, science and studies kind of important. Maybe someone will find better data and come to a different conclusion. Maybe someone will use the same data (available on line) and argue the point… Who knows. But it seems a proper peer reviewed study. Feel free to analyze is and publish your alternative peer reviewed study and conclusions.

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#3 posted 12-06-2014 05:10 AM

There comes a time when the land will no longer sustain the number of people using its resourses. I understand the science and the need to use all resourses that we have to get a proper analysis. California has been over developed and over utilized its resources. I lived there for 30 years and familiar with the problems that concern california.
And thanks for alllowing me the oppertunity to publish my own study. You can pretty much guarantee that most studies are self serving and lack any concrete findings that ends in any real resolve to the problem.
The fact is that the more people observe or are effected by a disaster the bigger the disaster was perceived to be. There has been a drought throughout the country the only thing that makes cali so important is that it was cali and many more people were affected. This drought wasn’t any worse then the others there it just affected more people.

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#4 posted 12-06-2014 11:52 AM

I really did not expect these kind of comments!
I was expecting more like “interesting” or “trees are a good history book”!
That being said … the number of people in a given area has nothing to do with the lack of rain fall ...

Consumption is related to population, supply isup to the elements of climate/weather!

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#5 posted 12-07-2014 06:28 AM

Old novice. There are deniers and the people that live in the real world.
Nice article by the way.

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#6 posted 12-07-2014 08:29 AM

+1 madts, and there will always be!

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