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FEDSAWDAVE

288 posts in 2036 days


1991 days ago

I really like this site because unlike a few others, there is no constant bragging about supporting your local Communist Chinese dumped tool of the moment.
It amazes me that I see posts on other sires with titles like: “Did I get a good deal on this $10.00 laminate trimmer?” (Actual post) and “4 1/2” grinder for $19.95.”

Straight up, I sell tools. More accessories than tools but, I know my tools. While I’ll never speak for your wallet I just can’t get it through my head why these “Harbor stores” stay around. I guess the unserstanding human nature train left the platform with me behind. Do people realize what they have and will continue to do to the American economy by buying this utter junk? It’s always the “I just need it to cut a couple of bolts off” crowd. Great! Why not do it with a tool that won’t blow apart after the 3rd bolt.

I’ve been to China, tourism not business and knowing a few people there I certainly realize it aint pretty being a worker in many of those plants. Guess the do unto others mentality is seriously lacking now a days.
Again, your wallet but also your country!

-- http://www.federalsaw.com


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pitchnsplinters

262 posts in 2042 days


#1 posted 1991 days ago

Harbor Freight employs American workers. These are real American jobs paying American dollars. Maybe you should ask these employees if they are happy to have the opportunity to make a living.

The fact that cheap imported tools are abundant doesn’t lessen the quality of good tools. Capitalism is good for our economy. It’s true that all the big name tool players have taken a portion of their products and cheapened them down to make them relevant in the “cheapest tools race.” This is good because now if you are cash strapped you have an opportunity to buy a tool designed in the US, Canada, Europe… In many instances these are better tools than their 100% Far East counterparts. Oh and guess what, the big boys still manufacture high end machines which are typically built in the country in which they were designed, including the US.

Even the “cheap” Deltas, Powermatics, etc… have components (i.e. Baldor motors, etc…) which are manufactured by American Companies. The fact that they are primarily built in the Far East serves to keep them competitive and in business. These companies still have controls in place to ensure the materials meet minimum specs and that the manufacturing tolerances are in-line.

And to say we must only buy American, well that would exclude some very good tool companies. I am an amateur so I don’t buy high production machines, but what I do buy I buy based on performance price, reputation, etc… These tools include Makita (some Japanese made), Hilti (Liechtenstein), Laguna (Meber – Italy), Freud (Italy), and Fein (Germany). If an American Company made tools as good as or for as good a price then I would have bought them.

Capitalism keeps our economy healthy. Crooked Banks, Lawyers, and Democrats are sucking the American spirit and quality out of America … not China.

-- Just 'cause a cat has kittens in the oven, it don't make 'em biscuits.

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Francisco Luna

936 posts in 1997 days


#2 posted 1991 days ago

Country??? wich one?
I’m not trying to insult this country, but there is a lot of prostitution in our society and the results, you mention some of them. Our, is a society with a total lack of ethic and values.

-- Nature is my manifestation of God. I go to nature every day for inspiration in the day's work. I follow in building the principles which nature has used in its domain" Frank Lloyd Wright

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FEDSAWDAVE

288 posts in 2036 days


#3 posted 1991 days ago

“And to say we must only buy American.” Where EXACTLY did I say that? Try reading the post again! “Crooked Democrats?” Like they’re the only crooked ones?

Yeah, the manufactured tolerances line. If I had a nickel for every pinhead sales rep that crossed my path with the “It’s Made in China but to our specifications” bullspit…

-- http://www.federalsaw.com

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GFYS

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#4 posted 1991 days ago

but on the other hand…I remember when japanese autos etc were junk. Also south korean products were junk at one time. Now SK is a manufacturing giant for heavy industrial equipment. Seems like the USA creates an environment for improvement in those countries with which they do business. Funny how free enterprise works. I would rather see our govt foster prosperity here through solid competitive strategic policy than isolationism. Quality is only one aspect of value. Availability and cost effectivness have a place also. Technology and innovation need to be affordable to more than the elite. All that said..it’s getting more and more difficult and less important being loyal to a nation whose govt and population is selling us (small business…the backbone of the economy) down the tubes.

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pitchnsplinters

262 posts in 2042 days


#5 posted 1991 days ago

You pretty heavily insinuated buy American.

Crooked Banks, just plain old Democrats. Guess you didn’t read my post very closely either.

-- Just 'cause a cat has kittens in the oven, it don't make 'em biscuits.

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FEDSAWDAVE

288 posts in 2036 days


#6 posted 1991 days ago

No, I pretty heavily asked if you would be proud to buy a $10.00 laminate trimmer or a $19.95 grinder.

-- http://www.federalsaw.com

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pitchnsplinters

262 posts in 2042 days


#7 posted 1991 days ago

Honestly, if woodworking was an important enough priority in my life and I only had a few bucks to spend I would consider it. However, if I was cashed strapped to the point where a crappy Harbor Freight tool were all I could afford I’m guessing I would sooner put the money toward groceries than woodworking.

-- Just 'cause a cat has kittens in the oven, it don't make 'em biscuits.

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FEDSAWDAVE

288 posts in 2036 days


#8 posted 1991 days ago

Furthermore, how’d you like to have one of those proud buyers actually walk in to your store and ask with a straight face if we could repair said grinder?? Has happened 5 times!

Being that this is a family-esque forum I won’t bother telling you my response to these people.

Here’s the bottom line: Put on your “I’m a Capitalist” shirt and buy whatever you wish.

-- http://www.federalsaw.com

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brianinpa

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#9 posted 1991 days ago

I think you get what you pay for no matter where you buy it. I have bought some tools at HF, but none of their power tools. In this tough economic time, I would spend half the money if the tool is going to give me the results I want.

HF stays in business becasue they sell a tool at the price a person wants to pay: it may not be the quality they expect, but the Price is Right.

-- Brian, Lebanon PA, If you aren’t having fun doing it, find something else to do.

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pitchnsplinters

262 posts in 2042 days


#10 posted 1991 days ago

I believe in Capitalism, but if you are going to refer to me as anything stop with the “Capitalist” stuff and just call me a toolbox or jerk like my friends do.

-- Just 'cause a cat has kittens in the oven, it don't make 'em biscuits.

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FEDSAWDAVE

288 posts in 2036 days


#11 posted 1991 days ago

Nah pitchnsplinters, I respect your opinion. We could probably sit down, have a beer or 5 and argue till closing time….LOL

-- http://www.federalsaw.com

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Francisco Luna

936 posts in 1997 days


#12 posted 1991 days ago

Is the first time I visit HF.com and 5 seconds were more that enough to me to realize all there is J U N K

-- Nature is my manifestation of God. I go to nature every day for inspiration in the day's work. I follow in building the principles which nature has used in its domain" Frank Lloyd Wright

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FEDSAWDAVE

288 posts in 2036 days


#13 posted 1991 days ago

Man, and they have the sack to name tools after the great cities of Chicago and Pittsburgh. That, pisses me off further! Are we sheep in this country or what ?

-- http://www.federalsaw.com

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Mike

391 posts in 2221 days


#14 posted 1991 days ago

Americans want Wal Mart. They want cheap prices not cheap stuff. But sometimes cheap means both. I have a Harbor right up the street. They have some Japanese saws, made in Japan. They have some American Tools not just chinese stuff.

Dremel’s new EZ lock. Was made in China. There is only a few TV’s made in America, they are not American but the plants are here.

Buy American only works if they can compete with price. When you pay more for something similar you can buy less so some American loses.

It is not companies looking for cheap labor. It is companies looking to spend less than the 35% Corperate taxes in America. Just like my company, the state just doubled their Workers Comp contributions. No warning, no vote just a bill.

I also went from getting 75.00 back from the state last year to owing 600.00 this year same income. But there is now a seperate school tax added to property taxes.

China gets the blame for stealing American jobs. America has lost 8 million jobs to overseas since 1980. China lost 18 million to India in that same time.

Buy the Fein oscillating cutter for 300 + or the Dremel for 99 or the Harbor for 60… While one is better than the other the why spend three times tha amount for the same guarantee? Take it back to Harbor and they replace it. Dremel replaces it.

-- Measure once cut twice....oh wait....ooops.

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Sawdust2

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#15 posted 1991 days ago

Hey, hey, hey.
I’ll have you know I got a lot of good C clamps at HF for a really good price.

Lee

-- No piece is cut too short. It was meant for a smaller project.

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