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John

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11-28-2014 01:53 AM

I am tempted to buy a Craftsman 22116 Hybrid. Near me they have one on super closeout (less than 450 dollars).
The saw is new but it is assembled, I assume a floor model. I haven’t seen it yet, I think I may brave the black friday crowds to check it out. I am currently running a 113.298. I like my current saw, but the fence is so frustrating, that sometimes I try to find ways around using it. I have thought about putting some more money into it to make it better, but for the price of this hybrid, I’m thinking of taking the plunge.
I am a hobbyist woodworker. More ambition than skill. I think a better table saw may elevate my work.

The 22116 has a granite top, any thoughts on this?

I assume the price is really good for a new saw, am I wrong?

I have been looking for a good deal on a real cabinet saw, but its been about four years, and I cant seem to find one that isnt three phase. Should I keep waiting?

Since it is assembled, will I be able to get it into/out of my pickup truck?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

-- I measured once, cut twice, and its still too short...


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Tedstor

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#1 posted 11-28-2014 02:01 AM

- Granite tops are fine….but magnetic jigs won’t work. I REALLY like my magnetic featherboard…..so a deal breaker for me.

-The 22116 is a good, entry level cabinet saw. $450 sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

-Four years is a LONG time to wait. I’d probably ‘cry uncle’ and buy the Craftsman.

- I also have a 113.298762. I slapped a Delta T2 replacement fence on it, since the stock fence sucked so bad. I’m pretty happy with the combo. You might consider upgrading the fence if you decide to pass on the 22116.

- You’ll need a buddy (or two) to help you heave that saw into a truck. Be careful, granite is tough, but it doesn’t bend…...just breaks.

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RibsBrisket4me

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#2 posted 12-01-2014 06:58 PM

I have a 1996 Craftman 113.298 saw. See pics of it under my LJ workshop page. See the HOME button to the left.

Putting a Ridgid fence on it, adding a link belt and and a Incra V27 miter gauge made it like a new saw. Then I added a Freud LU86 blade and wow.

I then got an Osborne EB 3 MG just because it was on sale.

If you look on Ebay you can get a Ridigd fence or even a Craftsman Align A Rip fence and make your current saw much better.

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RibsBrisket4me

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#3 posted 12-01-2014 07:03 PM

BTW the 2116 is though of as a good saw. Those were called “zip code” saws when they came out, and they are good.

I don;t thing I would PREFER the granite top, (afraid of chipping—-but heck then I would just epoxy the chip.) but it would not be a dealbreaker as my featherboards go into the miter slot or on my fence.

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#4 posted 12-01-2014 08:51 PM

Could be wrong on this but I think the 22116 is a rebadged Steel City saw with cabinet mounted trunnions. <$450 seems like a pretty killer deal to me.

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#5 posted 12-01-2014 09:08 PM

Well, John, did you snag it? At that price, it would be a great upgrade over your current saw. Then you sell the 113 for ~$150 and you have a full cabinet hybrid saw for about $300 net. That’s a steal!


Could be wrong on this but I think the 22116 is a rebadged Steel City saw with cabinet mounted trunnions. <$450 seems like a pretty killer deal to me.

- gtbuzz

You are right that there is a nearly identical SC saw. Both are made in the same factory, though I’m not sure that SC actually owns it. I think it’s just a matter of both Sears and SC contracting with the same supplier. We’ve sold a couple of the SC’s at full price and the customers report being very happy with the purchases.

-- "Good judgement is the result of experience. A lot of experience is the result of poor judgement."

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#6 posted 12-01-2014 09:53 PM

Update: I went to go look at the saw. It was a floor model, just like I thought. A couple dents and dings but nothing too bad. List price is $1099, my price was $439. I knew if I passed it up I would really be kicking myself. Five minutes after I left Sears, a buddy of mine called asking to use my table saw, and (after a little sweet talking) he agreed to buy my old one.

I set out to probably the busiest shopping mall on the busiest shopping day of the year. Had to load it up completely assembled, I backed up to the loading dock and we slid it right in. Strapped it down and I was on my way. Upon getting home, I dissembled the saw in the bed of my truck and a buddy helped me get it down onto a mobile base I picked up at woodcraft on the way home.

The next day I reassembled the saw, tuning it up as I went. The granite top has to weigh 100 lbs. on its own and each wing is easily 40 lbs. Took my time and got the blade, top, and fence as close to perfect as my instruments would allow me.

My initial impression has me very impressed. Considering what I had been dealing with, the fence is a dream. The saw has ample power for the tasks I have given it so far, although it will bog down in 8/4 maple. I intend to rewire the motor to 220 in the future, I imagine that should alleviate that. Dust collection is greatly improved. It passed the nickel test with flying colors, even with the mobile base.

Overall I am very happy I purchased it. Thanks the advice. I am glad an online community like this exists to help me along on my woodworking journey.

-- I measured once, cut twice, and its still too short...

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RibsBrisket4me

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#7 posted 12-02-2014 02:47 PM

John, you got a super deal on a really good saw AND you sold your old saw.
Way to go!!!

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#8 posted 12-02-2014 04:20 PM

Congrats on a nice deal. You may find that blade choice will cure any bogging issues you have, or at least improve things. Stock blades tend to be pretty poor if that’s what’s on there. 8/4” should be cut with a decent 24T 3/32” thin kerf blade like a Freud Industrial, Freud Diablo, Irwin Marples, Infinity, Amana AGE, DeWalt Precision Trim series, CMT Industrial, etc.

220v won’t hurt either if you have it available, especially if the 110v circuit is overtaxed.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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