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Forum topic by mscot posted 11-25-2014 03:24 PM 978 views 0 times favorited 10 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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mscot

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11-25-2014 03:24 PM

Hello Everyone,
I’m new here so I wanted to say hello and ask some advice.
First the introduction:
I live in Denver. My grandfather was a master carpenter and he taught me some woodworking skills when I was a kid. I took a class at Otis in LA and have taken some at Red Rocks since moving to Colorado.
I like to build furniture with a mid century/danish kind of look. I’ve mostly built case goods out of both hardwoods and ply. I’m definitely a rookie at it and drawers drive me crazy. ;)

Now for the advice:

I’ve been slowly amassing tools and building a hobbyist shop in our 2 car garage that I have to share with my wife’s car. I have the garage wired for 220. I’m getting close to having it outfitted properly – have a desalt 735 planer, various hand planes, a festool ts55, drill press, 10” band saw, and various other tools – both hand tools and power.

I currently have a Dewalt 744 as my table saw and was looking around for a decent deal and came across this:
Craftsman Professional 1-3/4 HP Premium Hybrid 10” Table Saw (22116)
http://www.searsoutlet.com/d/product_details.jsp?pn=1&ps=0&pid=32628&mode=seeAll

I still need to outfit my shop with a jointer so being able to get a good deal on a table saw is key. Is this a good table saw for $630?

I was going to save up for a Grizzly 3hp but this would be half the price and if it can get me through the next 10 years I may pull the trigger (especially if I can convince sears to match the price they have it at other outlets – $420).

I’ve looked all over this forum and others and people that own them seemed please with them but the reviews are all 3 years old and I haven’t seen anyone update them with their thoughts after years of use. Then there are others that say they would never buy a Craftsman.

So, gentlemen and ladies, I come to you hat in hand to ask “Would you pull the trigger?”

Thanks!

Scot


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Tedstor

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#1 posted 11-25-2014 03:44 PM

The outlet products tend to be returned/scratch n’ dent items. The link you provided took me to a mattress sale (70% off BTW), so I didn’t see the exact saw in question.
The 22116 is a respectable model, and a definite move up from a contractor saw. I saw one in my local craigslist for $400 and seriously considered buying it. I already have a decent saw, so I passed. I believe this saw is the same at the entry level cabinet saw sold by Steel City. You might find some reviews going that route.
I’d pass at $630, but I’d be very tempted at anything south of $500.

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mscot

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#2 posted 11-25-2014 04:19 PM

That’s odd the link works for me.
How about this one:
http://www.searsoutlet.com/1-3-4-HP-Premium-Hybrid-10-Table-Saw-22116-/d/product_details.jsp?stxt=table%20saw&md=srh_md&pn=1&ps=25&pid=32628&cid=1224&mode=seeAll&itemSelectionType=all

It’s a refurbished model. Prices range from $320 to $900 depending on the store. The Aurora, CO store has it for $630 but I may see if I can get them to match the lowest price.
Sounds like I should make the move if I can get them to price match.

Is there anything I need to look out for?

Thanks for your help.

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#3 posted 11-25-2014 04:42 PM

Yes I would buy one but only if I could lay hands on it and see that everything was there and functioning. I think the hesitancy with craftsman is the lack of quality with their tools over the past few years. But you can still get some good tools from them and I think this would be a good buy if you can check one out first.

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#4 posted 11-25-2014 07:15 PM

I’ve had some success buying their outlet items (floor model DW735 for $300 in Oct 2013, missing the blade screw wrench!!). Some are floor models, some are store returns, not many are really refurbs despite what it says in the description. Purchase can be made online, which reserves the item, and if not acceptable when you get there—the sale can be cancelled (at least in the stores i’ve called.) My magnesium nail gun set was simply a scuffy box, never opened, for $80.

If it’s a floor display, be prepared to overlook the incorrect assembly—some of the clerks can’t seem to RTFM when they put things together. If a few parts are missing from a Craftsman labelled tool, it may be possible to call customer service after the purchase and get them provided at little or no cost, even if you tell them you bought at the outlet. For a TS purchase i’d look at ereplacement parts for the cost/availablity of a few key parts (fence, wings, blade guard, etc) before going to the store so you have an idea of the big ticket stuff if missing. Can use that info for negotiation or justifying price on missing items.

It’s a little more work than buying brand new in the box, but with the error rate in today’s packaging of small parts (not just for tools), it may not be all that different—and you save some dough.
earl

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mscot

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#5 posted 11-26-2014 02:14 AM

Store manager wouldn’t budge on the price. I looked it over and would agree that it’s not worth the $630. Plus I’d have to figure out how to get a sloppily put together table saw home.
The search goes on!

I did come across a Jet JJ-6CSDX. They guy isn’t willing to come below $475 and won’t deliver. Based on what I’ve read here a used one should be less than $400 and closer to $300. True?

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MT_Stringer

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#6 posted 11-26-2014 02:41 AM

I did come across a Jet JJ-6CSDX. They guy isn t willing to come below $475 and won t deliver. Based on what I ve read here a used one should be less than $400 and closer to $300. True?

- mscot

I bought one last year for $300. 90’s model. I have since replaced the cutterhead with a spiral cutterhead from Grizzly. I love it. One car garage for me. I can’t go any bigger.

-- Handcrafted by Mike Henderson - Channelview, Texas

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#7 posted 11-26-2014 02:57 AM

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mscot

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#8 posted 11-26-2014 03:07 AM

I look at CList daily. :).
I want a cabinet base on my next saw and a roving knife is non-negotiable.

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#9 posted 11-26-2014 05:11 AM

I strongly urge you to go for a riving knife. Trouble with a roving knife is you don’t know where it will end up.

-- I admit to being an adrenaline junky; fortunately, I'm very easily frightened

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#10 posted 11-26-2014 07:07 AM

:D

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