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russde

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11-23-2014 12:53 AM

I’ve been using an old Ryobi BT3000 table saw for about a year for small woodworking projects and the ongoing re-model of our house, it worked great, but I’ve kept my eyes open for a good deal. Would love a cabinet saw, but my wife is in the Coast Guard and we are going to move again (2 years? 3 years?) so I need to keep my tools from killing us on the weight limit for the move.
A few weeks ago I saw a CL ad for a Craftsman contractor saw, the picture showed a hybrid. I scouted google images of Craftsman hybrids until I found out what model it was and read everything I could find on it. Model 22114 was one of three saws made by Orion (a sub of Steel City) for Sears, the 22124 was a proper cabinet saw, the 22114 was the hybrid, and the 22104 was the true contractor saw (true-er?, still not a real contractor saw to my mind).
The seller was asking $350. Too much. But I talked to my wife about it (and honest too: ‘there’s nothing wrong with the Ryobi’, ‘but, this one is sure nicer’) and she asked how much I could sell the Ryobi for…bingo, hooked.
We went to look at the saw, he wanted to keep the mobile base, couldn’t find the miter gauge or the auxiliary fence that these saws came with…so, I told him I wasn’t interested at that price, he asked what I would pay, I said $250. He said he had another guy coming to look at it, and we parted ways amicably.
Later that night I got a text, “really enjoyed meeting you and your wife, if you still want the saw, it’s yours”. Nice. We made arrangements to pick it up two days later, on Saturday.
I did more research about how to move the saw (~350 lbs!), knottscott confirmed that the top, with rails attached, is attached by four bolts and would remove about 100 lbs from the total weight. So, on Saturday we went to pick it up and the seller already had the top loose, nice. We loaded it up without any issues and brought it home.
I advertised the Ryobi and sold it in 5 days for $130. So now I’m into the Craftsman for $120, sweet!
Today (two weeks later) I finally got time to work on the saw. The top had some rust and sap (?) which needed some soaking and scrubbing and sanding to remove, then a nice waxing with Johnson’s. I adjusted the top square with the blade using a new dial indicator jig I made and got the difference down to 4/1000th’s, put a new belt on it and installed my Freud 40T combination blade and punctured the new ZCI I purchased for it as well.
All in all I’m very pleased, this saw will do everything I need and I can now build jigs and sleds to my hearts content for it. The only issue (and it’s a small one) is that when I shut down the saw, when the blade slows there is a pretty good vibration right before the blade stops, not a big deal, but it makes me think that something is out of balance.
Not a gloat to be sure, but I’m pleased with my purchase and don’t anticipate needing anything else for quite some time.


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#1 posted 11-23-2014 01:18 AM

Congrats. I just saw that the same saw on my local craigslist. Sure looked like a nice saw.

-- Bill M. "People change, walnut doesn't" by Gene.

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#2 posted 11-23-2014 01:34 AM

Congrats on the new toy! Now time to make the sawdust!

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#3 posted 11-23-2014 01:38 AM

Thats a good saw. You’ll probably never need to upgrade again (unless you want to).
Price wasn’t bad either. I think you did well.

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#4 posted 11-23-2014 03:19 AM

Congrats on the new saw…..nice deal for sure. The vibration on shut down could be an electrical phenomenon known as regeneration, which is harmless….if that’s what it really is. It’s still worth checking the pulley alignment, belt, and belt tension. It’s not too hard to remove the belt and run just the motor to see if the vibration still exists at shutdown. Try running it without a blade too.

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#5 posted 11-23-2014 05:12 AM

If it’s the same as my steel city model which looks semi close to yours there is a magnetic blade break that makes a little rumble when the blade is 50% on it’s run down phase.

Paul

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#6 posted 11-23-2014 04:27 PM

It’s also worth checking the motor spring that’s supposed to keep tension on the belt….they’re notorious for coming off.

Also, when you check the pulley alignment as suggested earlier, make sure the set screws are tightened down.

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#7 posted 11-23-2014 05:12 PM

Great deal and a very good saw! Those Craftsman zip code saws got great reviews when they came out on the market and they have stood the test of time. I have an Orion made Craftsman jointer and it is also a fine tool that has not given me a single issue in over ten years.

Enjoy and congrats!

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russde

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#8 posted 11-24-2014 01:21 AM



If it s the same as my steel city model which looks semi close to yours there is a magnetic blade break that makes a little rumble when the blade is 50% on it s run down phase.
Paul

Paul,
I think this may be the ‘problem’, I’ve checked everything else, with/without blade etc, and the vibration is still there.

It s also worth checking the motor spring that s supposed to keep tension on the belt….they re notorious for coming off.

Also, when you check the pulley alignment as suggested earlier, make sure the set screws are tightened down. knotscott

Spring was indeed still there, but I’m not sure it was properly placed, hard to tell from the photo and/or the manual; does it ‘pull the motor’ down? Either way, the vibration is only when the motor is in deceleration.
Thanks for all the comments guys!
R

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#9 posted 11-27-2014 01:04 AM

If it s the same as my steel city model which looks semi close to yours there is a magnetic blade break that makes a little rumble when the blade is 50% on it s run down phase.
Paul

Paul,
I think this may be the problem , I ve checked everything else, with/without blade etc, and the vibration is still there.

If I wasn’t clear in my previous post. The blade brake is a good thing not “a problem” It simply automatically slows the blade down to a stop after you turn the saw off. The rumble if it’s like mine is the magnetic blade break slowing the blade down to a stop.

Paul

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#10 posted 11-27-2014 01:31 AM

Good score.

Congratulations on your new table saw.

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#11 posted 11-27-2014 01:34 AM

http://www.dropshots.com/PKrug/date/2014-11-26/20:05:45

If this is what your saw sounds like when turning it off it’s a good thing.

Paul

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#12 posted 11-27-2014 01:46 AM

Great tool gloat. If you ever think about upgrading your fence, ( I have a Craftsman contrator saw, vintage, 1995) consider the Incra TS LS 32” OR 52 inch fence system. I love mine.

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russde

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#13 posted 12-17-2014 08:47 PM

Paul (took a while, but I’m finally adding to this),
Thanks for posting that sound/video.
My lower pulley came off yesterday. I had to loosen it when I purchased the saw as it was at least 1/2” out of alignment, it REALLY didn’t want to move so I ignored the ‘use Loc-tite on the set screw advice’ I’ve seen everywhere referencing these saws.
So, I made a new access panel in the side to be able to set the pulley alignment and change the belt, etc. While I was resetting the lower pulley I noticed that the motor would ‘bounce’ when I spun the belt by hand. I pulled out my dial indicator and checked the motor shaft, .005” variation, I put the pulley back on and checked it…WOW, 0.08” variation. So I ordered a new pulley from sears parts and got to install it today.
Switch off vibration is gone. Much smoother while running in general too, but the most noticeable thing is on shut-down, no more table top shake when the regen brake kicks in.
Awesome-er now!
Thanks

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