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Forum topic by JCantin posted 11-17-2014 01:47 PM 2192 views 0 times favorited 33 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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JCantin

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11-17-2014 01:47 PM

I struggle to understand this guy’s goal with his show. In an earlier segment he discussed and demonstrated how different hand planes can be used to prepare the surface of some reclaimed walnut boards. Good info right? Then he proceeds to pocket hole them to death. Here he’s attaching the apron of a side table to the leg and top. That’s woodwodking?


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Bob Kassmeyer

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#1 posted 11-17-2014 02:47 PM

I have often wondered about his methods also. I have seen him do things that knock my socks off and then you’re right he puts it all together with pocket screws. Don’t get me wrong they have there place but not in every project. I think he just tries to keep it simple for the masses. It would be nice if he were to show that method and then also show how to do it with mortise and tenon joinery. think he has actually regressed as his seasons go along.

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#2 posted 11-17-2014 02:58 PM

I have a friend who knows him quite well and insists he is a talented woodworker. That may be, but you would not know it from his show. It’s as bad (or worse) as a couple of those shows that DIY had on early (when they were really DIY, not just rocks and landscapes). I’m not referring to David Marks, but some of those other guys like Bruce somebody. Anyway, back to Phillips He is a complete idiot on his TV show and his techniques give woodworking a really bad name. Maybe he ought to call it DIY IKEA.

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hairy

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#3 posted 11-17-2014 05:55 PM

He’s been on TV a long time. Back in the day his show was better, I think sponsors drive the content of the show.
I’m still a fan. Love it or hate it, you will learn something from his show.

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#4 posted 11-17-2014 05:59 PM

This show sponsored by Kreg jigs? I have no problems with pocket hole joinery. It is easy, and if you can hide it, I say who cares? But, I wouldn’t call it fine woodworking.

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#5 posted 11-17-2014 06:31 PM

I think those personalities on TV also have to be “entertainers” as well as woodworkers, or the show would not have appeal to the masses. A TV celeb has to have a personality or no one would watch him. A project takes much more time to execute than can be shown in a 1/2 hour. It’s the same with shows like “How it’s made”. They skim over the surface and even give inaccurate information. When they say “Don’t believe everything you read”, that goes for TV shows also.

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#6 posted 11-17-2014 06:57 PM

From the first time I watched Scott Phillips show ,even though I was new to woodworking I couldn’t understand why he made a shaker clock that had a door with exposed pocket screws. It was 20 years before I took the time to watch part of his show again,he’s still doing the same short cut beginner type stuff after all these years.
Hiding Pocket screws … Sure they make plugs for them but they can be spotted a mile away.
It seems so weird to me that Mr. Phillips has had a show for 40 years and talents like Charles Neil does not have a show even though he’s friends with some of the top brass at Woodcraft,Scott Phillips main sponser.
I guess some viewers think quick and easy is more important than quality .

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#7 posted 11-17-2014 07:07 PM

... and talents like Charles Neil does not have a show …

I wonder if Charles Neil has ever made a pitch to get a show? I really enjoy watching Charles … he is thorough, easy to understand, and does things the right way (at least in my humble opinion).

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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a1Jim

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#8 posted 11-17-2014 07:20 PM

Gerry I agree Charles is a big talent with great teaching abilities . It just could be Charles is not interested ,he has a pretty full plate already. I guess we could email and ask Woodcraft if they would consider Charles for his own show.

Do you want to start a campaign to Get Charles his own TV show ? :))

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#9 posted 11-17-2014 07:40 PM

Looks to me like he probably gets paid per pocket screw. Hard to tell what he’s making there, but it appears to be a shaker-inspired end table that one could mount to the outside of a tank.

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#10 posted 11-17-2014 07:49 PM

My personal Opinion is I do not care for his and her wood working.

When he does wood turning it is everything you should not do in using tools or methods.

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#11 posted 11-17-2014 07:53 PM

Do you want to start a campaign to Get Charles his own TV show ? :))

Somebody should probably ask Charles first!

Seriously … I spent 28 years in the broadcast industry, and getting a national show on the air is no small task. Most shows start out as local productions and only a small percentage get picked up for regional or national distribution. If I recall correctly, Scott Phillips started out on the local PBS outlet in Bowling Green, Ohio (WBGU-TV still has a role in his show), years before PBS picked up his show. Don Peschke (The WoodSmith Shop) already had a following thanks to almost 30 years of subscribers to WoodSmith magazine, which probably helped convince Iowa Public TV to produce his show. Nancy Zieman, host of TV’s Sewing with Nancy (the longest running sewing show on TV) started out on Wisconsin Public Television in the early 80’s.

I watch Scott Phillips … some projects I am more interested in than others, and I do think he over-uses pocket screws, but I always have the O-N-O-F-F switch at my command.

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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JCantin

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#12 posted 11-17-2014 08:24 PM

Charles has alot to pass on but his specialty is finishing. The audience for show just focused on finishing would be limited.

I did see Charles appear with Tom McDonald on this weekend’s Rough Cut episode. Maybe he will get some PBS attention.

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Richard

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#13 posted 11-17-2014 08:36 PM

Yep I pretty much change the channel when his show comes on , Now if it was Norm I would stay right there and tell everyone else in the room to shut Up so I can learn something.
Have you seen Scott do a glue Up , he must have Stock in Titebond because he uses more glue than my 4 year old Grand daughter. And also doing a panel glueup according to Scott you DO Not need to alternate the growth rings on the boards because it is just not needed to make a good panel that will not warp. That is not what I was taught in Shop Class in school , but hey what did they know in the late 60’s HS Shop Classes anyway.
The Local Woodcraft store had him do a class or visit of some kind several months ago and the guy at the counter ask me if I wanted to come for it and I just told him if it was anybody other than Scott I would be glad to make the 40 mile trip back to see them .
I don’t know how his show is still on unless he is paying them for it.

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Richard

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#14 posted 11-17-2014 08:41 PM



Charles has alot to pass on but his specialty is finishing. The audience for show just focused on finishing would be limited.

I did see Charles appear with Tom McDonald on this weekend s Rough Cut episode. Maybe he will get some PBS attention.

- JCantin


Charles Neil I would watch for sure , Tommy Mac you have to replay it on Super Slowmo since he goes way to fast. I havent seen RoughCut in my area for a long time.

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BinghamtonEd

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#15 posted 11-17-2014 08:43 PM

I did watch two episodes of that show, I Saw it on Roku. There were quite a few episodes, I picked one that sounded most applicable to the woodworking I do. I was not impressed. Thinking maybe I just picked a lousy episode, I selected a second one. Needless to say, I did not watch a third.

One of the episodes, he made an angled cabinet to fit into his existing bathroom. While it wasn’t something that someone with no woodworking/carpentry experience could probably make, there was nothing complicated about it, either. Pocket-screwed plywood. Whatever, I was fine with that, I’ve done, and still do, those projects too from time to time. My big problem with the episode was, he went on to spray finish it. He shot a coat of stain and a coat of finish I believe, and it looked like absolute garbage. He announced that it was done and ready to go, and “see ya next time”. The finish was horrible, and didn’t even come close to matching what was already in the bathroom. I had to rewind to make sure I didn’t miss the “We’re gonna go ahead and sand this back and hit it with another coat or two, or even out the horrible stain job” part. Nope.

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