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Forum topic by rantingrich posted 11-14-2014 08:15 PM 1763 views 1 time favorited 28 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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rantingrich

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11-14-2014 08:15 PM

The more I read about the SAWSTOP saws the more I want one… SOme have said that they have accidentally TRIPPED the brake block.

My question is… Has anyone who owns/uses one of these gems every tripped one with an appendage/Finger? Hand?

Please so what happened and what do you think?

Rich

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#1 posted 11-14-2014 08:27 PM

Just to clarify, you’re talking about direct flesh contact with the blade, correct? Apparently some of the “false positives” were the result of indirect flesh contact, such as the blade touching a nail that the user also happened to be touching.

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#2 posted 11-14-2014 08:32 PM

I do a lot of my woodworking at a club shop where sawstops are used. I asked when I first started there how many times the brake has gone off. Mind you these saws are used HARD and by people of all skill levels, from the folks who have never used a table saw before, to folks who are master craftsmen. Their response was that they had had 50 brakes go off in 2 years. All but 2 of those were false positives. Almost every other brake that had gone off was from the blade hitting metal, not sure if they had brakes go off from other things. But metal does it every time. It doesn’t require a person to be touching the metal as well. If a nail is buried in a board and it touches the blade with no flesh contact on anything but wood or a push stick, the brake will still engage.

I have used the saws a fair bit over the past 6 months and have never had a problem with them. They are actually very well built. I own an 1950 delta unisaw I did a complete restore on in my personal shop. I love my unisaw, but when I eventually leave my club shop I will buy a sawstop.

They have a lot of politics that will get folks attention here and post crazy stuff in this thread. I don’t care about that, I just care that they have a nice tool and are the only folks that have a blade brake. If someone else had a blade brake I would buy from them.

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#3 posted 11-14-2014 08:38 PM

when I first posted the thread from WEE, CHEATUM & HOW I was anti SAWSTOP. After doing more investgation I am going to start saving up my beans to buy one.

And its just wasnt the safety features… Every review of this saw says its a great TS

-- Rich

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#4 posted 11-14-2014 08:46 PM

Well when this BRAKE TRIPS man there has got to be one hell of a racket!

-- Rich

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#5 posted 11-14-2014 08:51 PM

Yes I am referring to direct flesh contact. I mean it has to of happened to someone in here. Also this crossed my mind. If one works on a SAWSTOP saw all the time would not human behavior sort of let one guard down and not worry so much about losing a hand of finger, hence loss some respect/fear for the machine.

Maybe that’s why a replacement brake/block is so expensive? You might of saved your fingers but cost you some righteous doe.

Just a thought

Not tot mention the terror one would have when the time slams to a halt. The Noise has got to be incredible….

-- Rich

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#6 posted 11-14-2014 09:00 PM


when I first posted the thread from WEE, CHEATUM & HOW I was anti SAWSTOP. After doing more investgation I am going to start saving up my beans to buy one.

And its just wasnt the safety features… Every review of this saw says its a great TS

- rantingrich

It’s important to note that Saw Stop makes 3 distinct models with a variety of options, that aren’t the same, so every review of a Saw Stop saw doesn’t apply to every Saw Stop model. All three feature the safety brake. There’s a contractor saw, a Professional Cabinet Saw (PCS), and an Industrial Cabinet Saw(ICS). Narrow down the model(s) that makes the most sense to you, and apply your research and review reading accordingly.

The standard fence is stock for the contractor model and is pretty modest IMO for a $1700 saw. The “Premium” fence is stock on the PCS….it’s adequate but the model name is a bit optimistic in m view, as it’s a lighter duty model that’s bolted to the t-square as opposed to welded. Their T-Glide fence system is a very nice Biese clone and is about the only option I’d want for a saw in the $1700+ price range….it’s a stock for the ICS, and is an option for all 3 models.

Contractor Saw:

PCS:


ICS:

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#7 posted 11-14-2014 09:20 PM

I was taking a cabinet making class at the local Woodcraft store. One of the other guys in the class was doing a cut on the SawStop and we heard a loud CLUNK and the saw immediately stopped.

He didn’t even think he had touched the blade, but when he checked his hand there was a small drop of blood on his thumb. It was like he had just pricked his thumb with a needle. I’m sure it would have been a lot worse if he had been using a ‘normal’ saw.

The Woodcraft shop has a couple of the fired cartridges with the saw blades imbedded in them hanging on the wall.

Even though I knew about the safety features of the saw, I was still very careful around it and very aware of where my hands/arms were relative to the blade. So in my case it didn’t make me less careful. Maybe because I’m an engineer and know things sometimes fail…

I didn’t think it was that loud when the brake tripped. We all turned to see what had happened, but I would say it wasn’t much louder than a car door being slammed shut.

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#8 posted 11-14-2014 09:28 PM

WOW very cool!

-- Rich

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#9 posted 11-14-2014 09:28 PM

What size car door?

-- Rich

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#10 posted 11-14-2014 09:34 PM

As a confirmed cowardly cheapskate, I love the SawStop. I would not care to be known as lefty because I cut anything off. I have never used a Unisaw, so I can’t really compare them, but it outshines anything else I have used. And the brake is very loud when it goes off. Forrest said they will examine a damaged blade and remount the damaged teeth for a lot less than new blade. $69 for the cartridge, $109 for the WWII blade—ouch!

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#11 posted 11-14-2014 09:36 PM

I set mine off once when I failed to tighten the aluminum fence on my miter gauge … scared the hell out of me. I have that brake with the blade embedded in it hanging on the wall to remind me to not be so stupid.

A buddy of mine was ripping some cedar one day when his went off. He didn’t think he touched the blade, but that night did find a tiny red spot of his left index finger. On the advice of the shop where we bought our saws, he sent the blade and brake in to SawStop, and they found tiny traces of flesh on the blade and inside the brake.

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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#12 posted 11-14-2014 09:45 PM

Maybe as loud as a full size pickup truck door or gate being slammed. Of course I wasn’t the one doing the cut, so it probably is more scary if it happens while you are standing next to it. Let’s just say you will know it happened!

Another great thing about the PCS model we were using is the dust collection. After a full day of multiple students doing cuts during the class, there was barely any sawdust on the table top. Everything else was taken care of with the dust collector.

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#13 posted 11-14-2014 09:56 PM

I’ll be getting one soon. As you noted, the quality seems to e very good equal to any other on the market. With the death of the USA Unisaw, made in NA doesn’t seem to be possible with consumer level tools anymore. While I really dislike that guy (Gass?) for his shenigans trying to get his technology legislated, I will still buy one of his saws. I wondered about what a SS owner would do if the company went belly up and you couldnt get, say, one of those fancy circuit boards if you had one fail. Then I saw a CL for a SS that had the safety technology completed eliminated (to stop false triggers) and the saw worked fine. Soooo, if they go under the saw can still be made functional.

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#14 posted 11-14-2014 10:02 PM

I had mine for a couple of months now and I haven’t set off the brake. When I bought the SawStop the vendor was kind enough to give me one of the spent cartridges with a blade in it. It hangs next to all my other blades as a reminder this can happen. Note if you do set off the brake you loose the brake and the blade. SawStop will replace the brake if determined due to skin contact, but not metal. Brake is around $70 and my blades are $100+. Very careful when using BORG lumber with all the staples.

-- Bill R

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#15 posted 11-14-2014 11:03 PM

I have a SawStop and spend a lot of time picking staples out of some wood even the edges of plywood.

I think that there is someone and there only job is to put a zillion staples in the 2×4 and plywood. If I have wood that I think may have staples in it, I use a cheap metal detector and go over the wood and find anything that I initially missed.

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