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Kelly

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11-09-2014 08:24 PM

Just learned the county I live in demands rentals have monoxide detectors. Thus, the home I have to work on requires two. It has no gas or wood appliances.

Would I be wrong concluding the legislative entities have gone out of their way to prove their stupidity, again?


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AlaskaGuy

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#1 posted 11-09-2014 10:15 PM

Yes you’d be wrong.

A bunch of years ago my wife and I were apartment mangers for a 32 unit apartment complex. We had two people die from monoxide poising. Why? Because after using their charcoal grill the move it indoors thinking the coals were out. Thy weren’t.

What they are trying to do is protect stupid people. The detectors are easy to install not that expensive and they protect you from what stupid tenants might do.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/marijkevroomendurning/2013/08/20/carbon-monoxide-a-silent-killer-are-you-safe/

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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#2 posted 11-09-2014 11:21 PM

Hmm. Thank god (note the lower case Gee) we have a government capable of demanding something that “might” save a couple ignorant or stupid people out of over 300,000,000.

Laws like that are asinine, if they don’t include a requirement the landlord enter the apartment each year and install new batteries. Actually, no, just stop at many laws are asinine. The bag of charcoal and the BBQ come with warnings not to use your lawnmower as a hedge trimmer, or the equivalent.

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#3 posted 11-09-2014 11:32 PM

It’s you call at this point. If you don’t want to do it, don’t.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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#4 posted 11-09-2014 11:38 PM

Just to be clear, I’m a bit of a fanatic about smoke detectors. That said, I also spent years in administrative law and my disdain for government stupidity knows no end. Keep in mind, I say that mindful of that all governments are incapable of either good or ill, except by way of their animators – our agents.

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#5 posted 11-09-2014 11:43 PM

So two idiots, a bunch of years ago, kill themselves by bringing a charcoal grill into their home…...and that justifies such a law?

I read about a guy that drown in a toilet after a night of drinking. Should there be a law that makes everyone wear a life jacket every time they go to take a leak?

I’m pretty sure the “smoke detector manufacturers association of America” or whatever trade group lobbys for that industry probably had more to do with that law than actual public safety did.

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firefighterontheside

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#6 posted 11-09-2014 11:55 PM

Lots of things can cause carbon monoxide gas in the home. Such as attached garages, hot plastics that are not even burning but just getting hot enough to off gas CO. With that being said, I don’t have a CO detector in my home which is all electric, but I should.

-- Bill M. "People change, walnut doesn't" by Gene.

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#7 posted 11-10-2014 01:53 AM

While valid points firefighterontheside, plastics also produce even nastier distillation gasses that gather on the floor. As such, we should have cyanide [and other detectors] at the floor, since we’re headed down that logic trail.

When codes start getting to the point they impose demand “because you might leave your Tupperware on the burner,” or the OTHER guy has an attached garage, it’s time to say “enough.”

Where does it stop?

- Outlaw extension cords, because people load them down too much, or leave them out in the weather for years? Yes, a guy burned up his couple year old truck, because he did that. Hmm. Better come up with some exterior fire alarm systems (heat detectors, I guess).

- Require five fire escape routes, because the first four could become impassible?

- . . . .

Protecting renters is fine, but you can also price them into the streets with insanity.

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firefighterontheside

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#8 posted 11-10-2014 01:55 AM

Don’t get me wrong. I agree with you.

-- Bill M. "People change, walnut doesn't" by Gene.

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#9 posted 11-10-2014 01:56 AM

How about all the safety stuff in a car that cause the price of a car to go thru the roof, yet a person can still ride around on a motorcycle.

-- Bill M. "People change, walnut doesn't" by Gene.

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AlaskaGuy

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#10 posted 11-10-2014 02:24 AM

No reason to outlaw extension cords. They are protected by your smoke alarm. You do have a smoke alarm don’t you.

Would you agree that it makes sense to have a smoke alarm in a rental unit? If you do then alarms these day come as a combo unit that does both smoke and carbon M in one unit. If you’re installing your installing both.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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#11 posted 11-10-2014 05:39 AM

Governments and Companies get sued by stupid people, so governments make new laws and regulations that protect people. The only reason for so many regulations is either enough people get killed or injured or enough people sue about a problem.

What’s the big deal on a simple mechanism that could save a life. If you want to complain about the government, then figure out why it covets a trader and allows Mexico to hold a Marine for 200+ days for a stupid mistake.

-- Bill - "Freedom flies in your heart like an Eagle" Audie Murphy

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Kelly

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#12 posted 11-10-2014 07:53 AM

The trade-off for a deserter, while ignoring the other situation, was not just a matter of desertion, but of letting people loose who should have been on the FBI’s most wanted list, as an exchange for a guy who did not just desert, but turned traitor by attempting to go over to the other side.

Meanwhile, it remains you have to be able deal with the little stuff, to be able to deal with the big stuff.

The house I’m working on for some people has no garage and is all electric. So far, all I’ve seen is “well, it could happen,” remote possibilities to justify one more thing on top of what started out as an ant pile, then became a mole hill, and is well on it’s way to becoming a mountain.

Try to think of one thing in your “we live in the freest country in the world” world that is not regulated. We have gone from a free country to a “hey, you didn’t get permission from government to do that.”

Though people, sadly, believe that, the reality is: We The People may do any act not proscribed, while government may only do what is prescribed.” We are the government and those others just our representatives.

The point is, this is an example of another blanket law imposed on us, the true government. But notice how few they impose on themselves, and how many fewer they hold themselves to.

The unit I’m working is not my rental, but has not garage and is all electric.

My tolerance for bull from government imbeciles has declined steadily over the years. More so because I got into law for twenty-five years, after I learned justice was a purchased thing and I couldn’t afford to purchase it. In the course of those adventures, I focused on digging into government records. From that, I learned government does not run the way we are told it does. It’s personal prejudice, it’s backroom deals, it’s corruption and every other problem you plague an operation with.

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#13 posted 11-10-2014 07:55 AM

Smoke detectors sit high in a room. CO2’s, not so much. They are more at about face height, As such, a single unit is not as good a protection against both dangers as would be individual units, but, yeah, the alarm does protect the cord, now that you mention it ;)


No reason to outlaw extension cords. They are protected by your smoke alarm. You do have a smoke alarm don t you.

Would you agree that it makes sense to have a smoke alarm in a rental unit? If you do then alarms these day come as a combo unit that does both smoke and carbon M in one unit. If you re installing your installing both.

- AlaskaGuy


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wseand

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#14 posted 11-10-2014 08:49 AM

Yeah, but if we get rid of all the regulations then what are the Inspectors going to do. I kid of course. I hear you on the government I am no fan but at least I can say it and not worry about being shot.

So what happens if your smoke detector catches on fire?

BILL…..

-- Bill - "Freedom flies in your heart like an Eagle" Audie Murphy

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AlaskaGuy

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#15 posted 11-10-2014 11:09 AM

Government people work so hard that why we pay them well.

Congressional lawmakers earn their salaries “FOR LIFE,” which for House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi would add up to ”$803,700 Dollars a year for LIFE including FREE medical.”

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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