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09-30-2014 12:57 AM

Trying to figure out if i need AFCI breakers in a shop i am adding in the basement. From NEC 2014, they list where they need to go, but “workshop” is different from the explicit call outs, I’m not sure.


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#1 posted 09-30-2014 01:23 AM

Nope. Living areas only.

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#2 posted 09-30-2014 01:33 AM

Thanks fridge. Was planning on gfci on actual outlets, dont think its a requirement though. Anything else to consider?

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#3 posted 09-30-2014 01:38 AM



Thanks fridge. Was planning on gfci on actual outlets, dont think its a requirement though. Anything else to consider?

- Marcus

FWIW,
Inspectors made me put just 1 gfci on the first outlet coming from the panel on my runs that have outlets.
Don’t know the codes, but might save you some cash from having to put gfci on all of your outlets, unless you just want to.

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#4 posted 09-30-2014 01:45 AM

Yeah, you can either use an outlet on the circuit or a breaker. I’ll probably just put tithe breaker in because the subpanel is in the shop. “Easily accessible” from there.

On a side note, i just noticed that auto correct changed “sparkies” to “sparkles”, so just updated that.

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#5 posted 09-30-2014 07:06 AM

GFCI are required in basements and a good idea in general. Put one on the first outlet in the chain and you are good for the remaining outlets. Same for AFCI.

AFIK AFCI are only required in finished living spaces. . . How your AHJ defines a finished living space is another question.

Also GFCI, or ground fault and AFCI, or arc fault are seperate technologies, and in some areas of the home, they may be both required or will be as the ‘14 NEC expanded requirements both.

Bottom line, call the inspector and ask, or hire a licensed electrician. You could also find an electrical forum, diychatroim has a good community.

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#6 posted 09-30-2014 10:14 AM

Thanks for the feedback B4B. I live in denver, co and they allow homeowners to pull a permit for their own home for electrical work IF they pass a “homeowner exam”. I’m pretty familiar with electrical work, so went and took the exam yesterday. Only missed a couple questions, both were on AFCI and were about the 2014 changes. Learn something new everyday!

My question really comes down to your second point. Denver uses straight NEC here, but it’s a bit unclear when it comes to a workshop. It states that rooms sucks as dens and similar rooms require them. Is a den similar to a workshop? I would say not. There seems to be a bunch of confusion out there about this, was just looking for some feedback here.

I think the instances would be rare where you need both AFCI and GFCI. Only thing I could see is if you have a circuit feeding both a dining room and your kitchen. Luckily I am in new construction and they did a fairly good job with their circuits and with the new work I’m adding, not an issue.

As for GFCi, they are only required in unfinished basement portions by code, correct? I agree, i still think theyre a good idea especially in a workshop so plan on adding them. You sound familiar with electrical,work, do you have a preference on GFCI breakers or outlets?

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