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MsDebbieP |
Hello LJ Chat Host :) |
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MsDebbieP |
this is going to be GREAT :) |
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David |
Looking forward to a great chat with our fellow LumberJocks. |
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Martin Sojka |
Hello everybody! |
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Martin Sojka |
Welcome David! |
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MsDebbieP |
there were about LJ’s online when I checked a few minutes ago |
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MsDebbieP |
Hello Martin :) |
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David |
Hello everyone! |
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Martin Sojka |
Let’s wait for few more folks. I’m going to post a comment on the chatt announcement |
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Martin Sojka |
that the chat is opened now |
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David |
Sounds great. I have some refernce notes on veneering available. |
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Martin Sojka |
ok. the comment posted |
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MsDebbieP |
there will be lots of questions I am sure—there has been a real interest in it lately |
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Martin Sojka |
How is the Sunday so far? Here is already 9pm and this is very busy Sunday so far.. well deserved cake beside me is worth it lol |
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MsDebbieP |
David.. congrats on passing your SHOP INSPECTION this year :) |
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WayneC |
Hi Guys |
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MsDebbieP |
oh cake.. I want some!! It’s been a busy day here as well… |
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MsDebbieP |
hi Wayne!! |
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Martin Sojka |
hey Wayne. welcome |
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David |
There has been a lot of interest on LJ and other forums about veneering. I think that is because it gives you a great chance to explore different species of wood and to select what wood you use. |
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David |
Hi Wayne! Thought you where out buying planes today! |
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WayneC |
Just got back |
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WayneC |
got 2 |
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WayneC |
thought I hit the jackpot |
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WayneC |
but price was too high |
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Martin Sojka |
yes David.. it was great to see Mark Os doing his first veneering steps thanks to Karson’s encouragement |
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WayneC |
on another one |
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WayneC |
I will be interesting to see what O’s comes up with |
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David |
It will be fun to see what Mark makes and I was really glad to see the support that Karson offered – typical great LJ! After I did my first veneering piece, I recieved a bundle of veneers from Neil Lamens at Furnitology Productions. |
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MsDebbieP |
Question: what is the difference between veneering and laminating? |
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David |
Wayne I will be interested to see what you got . . . ! |
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MsDebbieP |
that’s awesome re: Furnitolgy… NICE |
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WayneC |
I will post some photos in my blog later |
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Martin Sojka |
ok.. let’s try to stay on topic from now. I’m going to send few PM reminders till you discuss ;) |
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David |
Great question Debbie. Veneering is the application of a outer veneer of wood (or other prodcut such as copper) to a substate where as laminating is an extension of the process gluing up a number of leaves of material such as plywood. Rough definition on the fly . . . |
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MsDebbieP |
lol sounds the same to me :) lol two pieces of wood stuck together |
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WayneC |
About how much of an investment needs to be made to get started? |
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David |
Interesting question Wayne. Not much investment – just some veneer, a piece of substrate, glue and clamps with good study cauls. I started with vacuum veneering because I was fascinated with the technique and equipment. |
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MsDebbieP |
oh, there are other ways to attach the veneer? |
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WayneC |
Shhhh |
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WayneC |
Like telling someone’s wife you can make mortice and tennon joints without a Domino |
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MsDebbieP |
hahaha oh sorry lol |
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David |
Basically you just need to apply the veneer in a smooth even application. The vacuum press just takes the place of heavy weights or clamps & cauls. |
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WayneC |
::laugh |
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MsDebbieP |
that makes sense |
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David |
She just stepped out to run errands so I am safe for now . . |
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WayneC |
Have you tried it with Clamps and cauls? |
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David |
I really got interested in this from JoeWoodworker’s website a long time ago. My interest was renewed watching Neil’s video series. I had the chance to get the equipment and try it out. Now I have all sorts of ideas on how I can apply veneering in future projects. |
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David |
Wayne – not yet. I have plans to try out all the different methods including clamps, weights and old fashioned hammer veneering. |
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MsDebbieP |
that would be a great series—demonstrating the different techniques |
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David |
I found Lee’s description of heat re-activation of glue for veneering on his demilune tables very interesting. Will for sure try that. |
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David |
Lee A. Jesberger Project – Demiline Tables – Part Two Veneer technique using heat activation http://lumberjocks.com/projects/1855 |
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WayneC |
What is your next project? |
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David |
Debbie, I agree. thaere has been a lot of interest lately. You don’t need a lot of equipment or supplies. I bought some cheap veneer on sale at Rockler to give it a try. |
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MsDebbieP |
I can see that, as we dwindle our natural resource away that it will be vital to do veneering in order to “stretch” the good wood that we have |
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David |
Wayne – I just read a FWW book on furniture building where an article caught my attention about laminating MDF core substrates with hardwood veneer overlay. I am going to work on a modified version of the technique for frame and panel construction. |
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David |
Debbie – great point. You can get a lot of mileage out of a nice log of precious wood by using veneering. |
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WayneC |
Do you have a resawing setup? |
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David |
Karson, one of our most prolific contributors had a great series as well. |
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David |
Karson Prolific Contributor to LJ Blog – Veneering a table top chess table http://lumberjocks.com/jocks/Karson/blog/series/144 |
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WayneC |
Hey Boots |
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MsDebbieP |
hello BTB |
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BlueStingrayBoots |
Hello freinds! |
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Martin Sojka |
Hey Blue |
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MsDebbieP |
I’m wondering how thin we can cut our wood using the bandsaw and “little ripper” to hold the logs of wood. |
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David |
Wayne – I will get into trouble even thinking about that! Not yet, but I do have plans to do so soon. I have a small bandsaw with the ability ot resaw perhaps 6 inhes (?). Will have to try it out . . . |
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David |
Welcome BSB! |
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BlueStingrayBoots |
Thanks |
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MsDebbieP |
I know that they demonstrated a thin piece of veneer |
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BlueStingrayBoots |
I’ll be cutting veneers soon, going to try and get a sander drum |
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BlueStingrayBoots |
Thats how David Marks does it |
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MsDebbieP |
of course, if I cut thick slabs, I just call it laminating, right?? :) |
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David |
John Nixon of EagleLake Woodworking also had a great entry on veneering with tape and clamps. He showed an excellent example of using the grain patterns for his project. |
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David |
John Nixon Arts and Crafts Style Pool Table Video Series #4: Veneering the feet – good looking and secretly functional http://lumberjocks.com/jocks/EagleLakeWoodworking/blog/1403 |
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BlueStingrayBoots |
I certainly want to bend some ebony. Like Mr Lee |
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David |
BSB – Ah! a drum sander. Yes! That also is on my list. Could do a lot with a good resawing bandsaw and a drum sander! |
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MsDebbieP |
David.. how “nervous” were you when you first tried it? |
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David |
It would be fun to resaw and veneer some of the interesting wood that you have shown recently! |
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David |
Debbie – just a little nervous in the privacy of my garage shop! Once I got going it seemed to go very smoothly. I must have watched Neil’s series 5-10 times late at night after work . . . |
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David |
Neil Lamens Furnitology Productions http://furnitology.blogspot.com/index.html Veneering & Vacuum Press Application Video Demo – Drawer Fronts for Casework Veneering Episode 6 Part 1 http://furnitology.blogspot.com/2007/04/lingerie-....html Veneering Episode 6 Part 2 http://fu |
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WayneC |
A new bandsaw and a performax sander are also high on my list |
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David |
It was a very calming process to do. |
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David |
Mine as well Wayne – oh what I could do with that set-up! |
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BlueStingrayBoots |
I’m not gonna vacum. but going to use clamps and place wood in a preformed wood thing???? |
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David |
Just a quick plug for a great veneering resource. |
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David |
JoeWoodorker http://www.joewoodworker.com |
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MsDebbieP |
BSB? what is a preformed wood thingy technique? |
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David |
BSB – Are you going to clamp up in a mold or frame? |
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MsDebbieP |
hi Charlie |
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David |
Welcome Charlie! |
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WayneC |
Welcome Charlie |
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CharlieM1958 |
Hi Guys! |
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MsDebbieP |
David: what was the hardest part of the process? |
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BlueStingrayBoots |
Cant remember the name but mdx plywood with grooves cut out, then just place veneers in the middle and clamp. I think its for shaping wood. |
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David |
Debbie – I think BSB is referring to using a frame or mold as part of the clamping process to hold the veneer against the substrate. Typically used for curved work. |
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BlueStingrayBoots |
There you go Debbie. |
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WayneC |
::smile |
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MsDebbieP |
just wondering: if I put a board on the bottom, the wood/veneer in the middle, another wood on top and clamped it all down, would that work? |
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BlueStingrayBoots |
USe bansaw to cut wavy bottom board |
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David |
Actually it was very easy which is what surprised me the most. This technique has been used for thousands of years before fancy woodworking equipmement. Dates back to Egyptian times using fine wood and natural glues. |
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David |
As long as the form is sturdy and well supported for the clamping pressure it should be no problem. |
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BlueStingrayBoots |
I’m thinking Ill use a 4×4 mill a wavy cut down the middle and place bunch of veneers, glued and clamp it for some noodle legs on a table. |
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David |
John Nixon has a video on his website where he uses a curved cutoff as a clamping caul for veneering the bottom of his pool table legs. |
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David |
BSB – that would be interesting! Would like to see photos – blog entry – ? video! |
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WayneC |
Do you have a glue recommendation? |
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David |
I think sharing these techniques and processes with our LJ buddies is very important. We all learn form these experiences. In addition, we frequently get offline input that helps us get to that next level with our craft. |
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BlueStingrayBoots |
I got the veneering idea and inspiration from you guys. Definatly a next level for me. |
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David |
Wayne – I used Titebond Cold Veneer Press glue for my first attempts. I plan on trying urea formaldehye glue later. Wanted my first experience to be as simple and as safe as possible. You can also use just regular Titebond Glue and of course animal hide glue. |
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BlueStingrayBoots |
Thanks Martin, for LJ. |
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WayneC |
Charlie, any questions? |
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WayneC |
And yes, thank you Marting |
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David |
I think it is a great technique to explore wood species we might never try. Thanks to Neil (and some of my own purchases!) I have a bunch of cool and exotic wood sitting in the shop ready for a project. |
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CharlieM1958 |
No, I haven’t done any veneer work yet, so I’m just listening and learning. |
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David |
I agree – my woodworking has taken an exponential growth thanks to Martin and my LJ buddies! |
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David |
Here is another great little video intro to veneering. |
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David |
Jonathan Benson Podcast #19: Veneering: Step-by-Step from a Master Craftsman http://www.woodworkingonline.com/2007/04/20/podcast-19-... |
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BlueStingrayBoots |
Does somebody know how to do breyded legs |
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David |
Welcome shall1028! |
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Martin Sojka |
You’re welcome guys! I’m still hoping more buddies are going to join us here ;) |
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MsDebbieP |
hi Shall |
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MsDebbieP |
as and you shall receive, Martin :D |
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David |
BSB – what are breyded legs? Always something to learn! |
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MsDebbieP |
Question: is there some steps that are vital to take it slow and be precise? |
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WayneC |
Hi Shall |
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BlueStingrayBoots |
A wood piece that looks like a rope |
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WayneC |
I belive they are carved |
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MsDebbieP |
that’s a good question to post in the LJ forums… should get a good discussion going and maybe even some samples |
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David |
Precision is important to a degree. If you are using a sheet of veneer that covers your substrate, you can just trim to size with a veneer saw, sharp knife or chisel. Matching flitches is a bit different. You need to be precise there. |
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David |
I would not worry about precision to start – just try it out! |
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WayneC |
I’m sure Dick and some of the other carvers would have some experience making brades |
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MsDebbieP |
i know that most people get casual about taking shortcuts.. was just wondering what shouldn’t fall into this category. |
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shall1028 |
Good afternoon all. It’s amazing what you find when you clean out your RSS feeds. |
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MsDebbieP |
lol @ Shall :) |
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MsDebbieP |
Hi Tony/Max |
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WayneC |
Hi guys |
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Max |
Hello there |
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David |
I wanted to try bookmatching on my first sample – it went very well using a straightedge and sanding block. It was very cool to see the seam disappear! |
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Tony |
Good afternoon all |
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WayneC |
So, David can you go over what is needed to start including tools |
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David |
Welcome Tony & Max! |
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Martin Sojka |
Welcome guys |
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David |
My starting kit included: veneer, glue, veneer saw, veneer tape & roller (my wife’s pastry roller to start!) and masking tape. Then you need to decide how you are going to clamp – I chose vacuum pressing, but you don’t need that to veneer. |
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BlueStingrayBoots |
Theres gotta be a easier way the carving braids, its 2007. I have an idea for time travel. |
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MsDebbieP |
haha I hear you BSB .. there’s always got to be alternatives. Make sure to post this in the forums. |
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David |
I am really interested in trying the heat activation technique that Lee described, as well as, using a veneer hammer and animal hide glue. By the way, a veneer hammer is not a hammer! |
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David |
BSB – what about a Legacy Mill? |
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WayneC |
So then what is a veneer hammer? |
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David |
A veneer hammer is a tool that looks like a hammer with a long flat edge that is used for pressing veneer into the glue on the substrate. |
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MsDebbieP |
Question: are there some woods that wouldn’t work well for veneer? |
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Tony |
I only really have one question for you David – I find that the PVA glues I use dry out quite quckly (3-4 minutes), before I have a chance to get the second side of a big sheet fully veneered. It has been suggested to add some water to the PVA to increase the “OPEN” time. What are your thoughts on |
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David |
Here os a link to an image of a veneer hammer. |
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David |
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=49945&cat=1,53193&ap=1 |
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shall1028 |
Some woods to watch out for when veneering are open pore woods like oak and lacewood. If you have too much glue it can wick through the pores. |
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WayneC |
My kind of tool – Expensive |
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David |
Tony – Try Titebond Cold Veneer Press Glue. It worked great for me and I had plenty of open time. It comes out of the clamps in 2-3 hours which is another advantage. |
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MsDebbieP |
expensive.. but serves multi-purposes and that’s handy! |
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David |
Wayne – cheaper at a flea market and then you can rehab it! I chose the Lee Valley site justt for you! |
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WayneC |
lol |
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Tony |
Not so easy for me to get it and the SHIPPING is more than the glue |
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David |
I have seen these much less expensive elsewhere. Plus you don’t need this to start! |
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shall1028 |
Tony – PVA glues come in wide varieties with different open times. For example a firm called Helmitin has a white glue called Helmibond 842 that have almost twice the open of their Helmibond 847 glue. Yet they have the same closed and cure times. |
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David |
Tony – I will have to do some investigating and see what resource I can come up with for you. |
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WayneC |
Perhaps there are some local alternatives |
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WayneC |
Tony is in Finland I belive |
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Max |
Question about the masking tape. Is it better to use regular masking tape or the blue painters tape? |
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Tony |
The only thing I coulkd come up with on the net was, that the bond may be a little weaker, as there is less glue used for the given square inch. It is the 8 * 4 sheets that are the biggest problem. Thanks anyway |
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shall1028 |
Max – The masking tape is only to hold the joint together until the veneer tape is applied to the other side. So it can be whatever you have. |
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David |
Tony – who are the major glue manufactors that supply your area in Finland? Shall had a great idea about selecting a PVA glue with an extended open time. |
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Max |
Thanks shall1028 |
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Tony |
I have been contact with KIITTO they have supplied me with a cold press veneer glue – but the open time is only 2 6 minutes depending upont the conditions in the shop |
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Tony |
These glues are aimed at the “BIG BOYS” not the little guy like me – I just have try out and experiment |
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MsDebbieP |
I guess that’s what this is all about—just try it. |
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David |
Tony – I am not familiar with that company or glue. The Titebond Cold Veneer Press Glue that I used had a much longer open time (don’t recall the specifics right now). |
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Tony |
You would not be they only sell to Scandinavia and Nordic countries – the rest of there products are first rate – si I will try this D3 glue next week. |
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David |
Tony – What type of veneering project are you working on? |
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Tony |
I am going to start a Murphy bed on Tuesday – we cannot bye venered plywood here, so I have to do the lot myself |
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David |
Sounds like a great project and an excellent application for veneer. I just got a 4×8 piece of paper backed rift cut cherry veneer for JoeWoodworker.com |
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Tony |
Joe woodworker and I are not talking any more – He will not sell to Europeans or other international customers! |
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MsDebbieP |
Question: how many ways ARE there to adhere veneer? |
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Tony |
Shame he have a fantastic website full of good products and information |
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WayneC |
did he have a bad experience? |
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Tony |
Countless |
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David |
That is too bad! He is a great resource for me . . . |
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Tony |
I tried top use him upon you recomendation – but alas it was not to be! |
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David |
Debbie – That is a great question and well answered by Tony. Neil Lamens told me offline that once I started veneering it would change the way I think about woodworking and open up a whole new world of possibilities. I would agree with that statement. |
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Tony |
Debbie, basically you can use any adhesive, the results may vary – from gle to glue and wood to wood |
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David |
I am hoping the new interest on veneering on LJ and from this discussion that a lot of our LJ buddies will give this a try. Get some cheap veneer to practice with, some glue and a nice flat substrate and give it a try! It will make you think about adding veneering to your next project! |
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David |
Maybe one of the Fall LJ Challenges will be a veneered project! |
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WayneC |
Careful saying that in front o Martin |
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WayneC |
it might happen |
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MsDebbieP |
hahaa :) |
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WayneC |
::cool |
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David |
LOL – Wayne you are right as always! |
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BlueStingrayBoots |
sounds like a test. |
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Martin Sojka |
Good one, Wayne ;) and maybeee you’re right.. might be great challenge |
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Tony |
Thenks guys time for beddy byes – 23:22 here, not quite dark yet, give it another week or two |
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David |
I would like to see some thin resawn mesquite from our Texas LJ Buddy BSB veneered on a nice little end table! |
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Martin Sojka |
Hey Tony.. g night. same time here |
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WayneC |
Take care Tony |
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David |
Good Night Tony! Thanks for the input. |
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Martin Sojka |
and totally dark alreayd |
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WayneC |
Not dark here |
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WayneC |
but is only 1:24 |
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BlueStingrayBoots |
Is that inspiration or motavation ir spurs? |
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WayneC |
Or a challenge? |
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BlueStingrayBoots |
So I cant use glue for julys challenge? |
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MsDebbieP |
not for the joints |
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David |
BSB – Well my friend you may take that any way you like! You have some wonderful wood to work with. I used to live in Texas and I always like the rustic look of mesquite. It reminds me of juniper in Central Oregon. |
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MsDebbieP |
for the wood joinery category |
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BlueStingrayBoots |
I’ll try, but its is time consuming. |
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David |
Debbie – I am hoping you will clean up my spelling on the transcript! I am laughing at what I am typing! |
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MsDebbieP |
haha we’ll include a dictionary with “typo” language included lol |
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Martin Sojka |
transcript will be atuhentic.. no worries about tyops David ;) |
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David |
Funny Martin! |
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MsDebbieP |
time consuming: how long did it take you David to do your first attemp? I forget if you already stated this in your blog |
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WayneC |
Lol. You spell like a doctor David |
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David |
At least at work, the nurse just ask “What does this say?” |
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Max |
Well, I have to run. This has been very informative. I appreciate all the input… |
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David |
Thanks Max! |
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WayneC |
Take care Max |
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MsDebbieP |
ditto |
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BlueStingrayBoots |
I like making projects, but I dont make dinner unless Im hungry, I’ll see what I need. |
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shall1028 |
David – I am trying to figure out just what that pastry roller thing is. Does it have a smooth surface (plastic, wood, etc.)? |
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BlueStingrayBoots |
You guys gonna let me win this months challenge? |
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David |
Martin – I may have to expand my series with these techniques that we have discussed. Especially a “very minimal equipment” example of veneering. |
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MsDebbieP |
lol @ BSB |
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MsDebbieP |
David, did you get Shall’s last question? |
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Martin Sojka |
good ideam David.. approved.. like I have something to approve ;) |
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David |
I apologize – just had an unplanned ripple in my internet connection! |
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MsDebbieP |
oh such power, Martin :D |
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shall1028 |
For aplying the glue to larger surfaces, I’ve found that a short nap paint roller is excellent (not foam!). If the down time between jobs is not too long you can just roll it up inside a plastic bag to keep the PVA “moist”. You know when you have the right amount of glue when a lace pattern apppears |
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David |
I did not . . . |
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MsDebbieP |
he was asking about the surface of the pastry roller thingy |
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David |
I am filling out a triplicate form fro Martin! LOL |
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MsDebbieP |
lol Inspections like to see triplicate forms! |
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David |
Oh, the pastry roller (which I was not allowed to use, I guess) is a double ended wooden roller for small pastries – smmoth surface. Worked grate on veneer seams (and some edgebanding last summer . . . ). |
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MsDebbieP |
(hahah so you’ve used it before.. and did the owner of the item know that it has been used before??)O |
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David |
I used a short nap paint roller for the glue application. Seemed to work well and I have seen this in other references. The pastry roller was for the seams. |
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David |
The owner of the pastry roller was unaware that it had been in the shop in the past. I learned that the kitchen toools are much like my shop tools – ask before using! |
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MsDebbieP |
hehe and sewing items .. do NOT touch the scissors! |
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David |
I do know NOT TO TOUCH THE SEWING SCISSORS! Learned that very early on . . . |
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BlueStingrayBoots |
SO how do you people feel about paying for wood? |
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David |
I know in our area, Rockler is having a Summer Clearance Sale. Everytime I go in to shop they have a set of rolling shelves out front with bundles of veneer on clearance. Great time to pick up some veneer and give it a try – you will become hooked once you see the seams disappear! |
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David |
BSB – what do you mean . . . “paying for wood? . . . ? |
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shall1028 |
If feel about paying for wood like paying for food. I’ll grow it myself if I can but you have too eat too… |
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BlueStingrayBoots |
I need to buy wood to put veneers on, but I’m thinking I’ll just use milled mesquite. |
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David |
I have to pay since I have no room to grow it myself in our current situation. |
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David |
Welcome Philly! |
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WayneC |
Hi Phil |
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MsDebbieP |
Hello Phil |
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Philip Edwards |
Hi Folks! |
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WayneC |
Glad to see you posting here some more |
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WayneC |
welcome back |
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BlueStingrayBoots |
But then, that doesnt go with veneering |
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David |
I will try to stay on task and topic . . . just wanted to say I love your Planes Phil! |
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Philip Edwards |
Thank you! It has been hectic the last few months but life is settling down. A little, anyway :) |
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Philip Edwards |
Thanks David |
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Philip Edwards |
So what have I missed today? |
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BlueStingrayBoots |
Hello Phil |
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shall1028 |
I’m sure we can slip dado plane and veneer in the same topic… ::biggrin |
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David |
A little discussion on veneering. Our first venture into the LJ ChatRoom. |
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Martin Sojka |
Phil you can try clicking on ‘ACTION’ and then ‘RECENT ROOM HISTORY’ = also I will be posting transcript tomorrow |
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Philip Edwards |
Thanks – I’ll catch up….... |
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David |
Phil – any tips, advice or experiences for us with veneering? I am looking at using a shooting board and a plane to joint some veneer edges. Any advice on the best plane to use for the job? |
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shall1028 |
The plane I’ve used in the past is a #7 or equivalent. |
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Philip Edwards |
When it comes to edge jointing veneer (and you will!) a shooting board is a great way to work. Stack the veneer in a pile with the edge sticking out about 1/8 of an inch, weight it down with a piece of ply or MDF and then use a plane flat on its side to joint the stack/ |
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Philip Edwards |
A longer plane makes for a straighter edge, without a doubt |
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Philip Edwards |
Also, depending on the species of timber, you can use a sanding block instead of a plane. This ensures you do not get tear-out. |
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Philip Edwards |
Some pieces of veneer are just too dry or cranky to plane easily |
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Philip Edwards |
Has anyone read David Charlesworth’s books? |
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David |
I tried a sanding block which worked great. I do want to get sme experience using a plane to joint the edges. |
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WayneC |
I’ve read 1 and 3 |
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Philip Edwards |
He has some great tips on this topic (amongst others!) |
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WayneC |
have not picked up #2 yet |
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Philip Edwards |
Worth getting, Wayne! |
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WayneC |
In the plan |
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Philip Edwards |
One more point on planes |
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WayneC |
I have his 3 plane videos as well |
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Philip Edwards |
Use a plane that is slightly longer than the work |
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David |
I have looked at them in the store but haven’t purchased . . . will have to do so! |
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David |
Welcome CarverRog! |
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Philip Edwards |
So if the work is 9 inches long a #5 or even a #4 is just fine. |
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Philip Edwards |
Welcome CArver Rog |
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MsDebbieP |
Hi Rog!! |
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David |
Thanks – great advice! |
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Philip Edwards |
Wayne – his videos are great. A lot of detail, although his pace can be a bit slow for some ;) |
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WayneC |
My wife laughs at me when I watch them |
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WayneC |
he is pretty monotone |
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Philip Edwards |
LOL |
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Philip Edwards |
Does anyone use a vacuum bag to press veneer? |
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CarverRog |
Hello everyone! |
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David |
I amglad I am not the only one that gets laughed at wathing (falling asleep) watching woodworking videos! LOL |
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shall1028 |
I have used a bag. Especially useful for veneer curved objects. |
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Martin Sojka |
hey folks.. only few mins to go.. what about another 30mins bonus? |
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David |
Phil – I just got finished documenting my first experience using a vacuum press. It was a lot of fun – now I am thinking of ways to use veneering in my woodworking. |
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Philip Edwards |
Gotta go in a minute, Martin. Thanks for the invite! |
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David |
I can stay a bit longer – got some work to do and errands with the owner of the pastry roller! |
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WayneC |
I’ve fought my son off of the computer for 2 hours |
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Philip Edwards |
David, the vacuum bag is a great tool. Well worth the investment. Makes veneering fun. Well, almost….;) |
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WayneC |
lol |
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Martin Sojka |
Thanks for joining Phil |
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MsDebbieP |
lol and I have to get going as well. |
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Philip Edwards |
My pleasure! |
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BlueStingrayBoots |
So who wants some free exotic ebony and mesquite? |
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CarverRog |
Sure! |
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David |
Phil – Agreed! I really enjoyed my first attempt at veneering! |
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Philip Edwards |
I’ll be round in a minute, Boots ;) |
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shall1028 |
Phil – My all-time favourite veneer tool, though was the 4 foot by 8 foot triple screw veneer press! |
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Philip Edwards |
Do you use veneer tape to join pieces? Or just sticky tape? |
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David |
Shall – cool tool to have! |
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Philip Edwards |
Yeah, but you try rolling that up and putting it in a box :) |
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David |
Phil – I used 3-hole paper tape and blue masking tape. I know Karson also reccommends clear packing tape. |
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Philip Edwards |
I use the gummed tape – it is a pain to remove but when it dries it pulls the veneer up tight. |
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David |
Mine press rolls into a 4 1/2 foot x 6 inch PVC tube and is light enough to pick up and carry! LOL |
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shall1028 |
I once made the mistake of forgetting to remove some masking tape before pressing the lot in a veneer bag. It’s amazing how almost impossible it is to remove. So I try to ue only veneer tape. |
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David |
Phil – it is hard to remove sometimes. I used a wet sponge and a sharp cabinet scraper. |
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Philip Edwards |
Kind of mistake you only make once! |
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Philip Edwards |
David – when you wet the tape it always seems to leave stains on the veneer |
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David |
I don’t leave the masking tape on in the bag – only paper tape. |
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David |
Phil – stains can be removed with Denatured Alcohol and the cabinet scrape. |
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CarverRog |
Thanks for the offer for more min. but I’ve got to go play softball game. |
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Philip Edwards |
Ahhh…...good tip – I’ll try that! |
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WayneC |
Cya Rog |
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David |
Bye Rog! |
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Philip Edwards |
Bye! |
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shall1028 |
I’ll second the damp sponge technique. You just have to give it time to work. It’ll just peel off perfectly leaving only minimal stain. The rest can be scraped. |
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CarverRog |
Bye all! |
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shall1028 |
In short. Dampen let penetrate, dampen again, wait a bit, peel. |
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Philip Edwards |
Sounds like good advice. |
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David |
Shall – agreed, trick is to wait for the glue to soften. |
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Philip Edwards |
I notice certain timbers stain easier than others. Cherry and Oak in particuler. |
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Philip Edwards |
Hi Lee |
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David |
I use distilled water on cherry to minimize staining from minerals in the tap water. Some species do stain easily. |
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WayneC |
Hi Lee |
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David |
Welcome Lee! |
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MsDebbieP |
the “wood care” also sounds like a great discussion for forum topics! |
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Philip Edwards |
I’ve tried using boiled water but it doesn’t really help. Guess I better buy some distilled. |
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BlueStingrayBoots |
Hello Lee |
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MsDebbieP |
Hi Lee :) |
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shall1028 |
I suppose there must be a tannic reaction—like using rust and vinegar to ebonized oak. |
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WayneC |
I’m going to run – Take care |
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Philip Edwards |
Bye Wayne |
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BlueStingrayBoots |
Are we still rolling? |
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MsDebbieP |
toodles, Wayne |
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David |
Boiling will not remove the minerals – distilled water works great. |
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Philip Edwards |
Thanks David – settled then. |
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BlueStingrayBoots |
God bless everybody, gotta run. |
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David |
I will have to go soon as well – this has been fun! |
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Philip Edwards |
Me too! |
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Philip Edwards |
Thanks for the chat. |
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David |
Thanks everyone for a great LJ chat! |
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Philip Edwards |
Have a great week. Bye! |
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shall1028 |
bye |
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Lee A. Jesberger |
Hi guys |
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David |
I learned a lot – always the case with LJ. Thanks Martin! |
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MsDebbieP |
A wonderful start to our Chatting feature |
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MsDebbieP |
Thanks David for hosting—you did a WONDERFUL job. |
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David |
Lee – Before we go, just a quick shout out that I like your work! |
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Martin Sojka |
Thanks everybody for great first chat! |
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Lee A. Jesberger |
Thanks, I was trying to figure out how to enter a message |
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David |
Thanks Martin and Debbie. I will forward all official documents to headquarters! LOL |
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Martin Sojka |
And special thanks to David for being excellent host! |
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MsDebbieP |
lol in triplicate I hope |
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David |
Took me a bit too – first time doing this. |
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MsDebbieP |
our next chat – we will all be pros at this. |
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David |
Always triplicate and neatly folded. Have a great day! Bye! |
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Lee A. Jesberger |
The box to typpe in was hidden on my screen |
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MsDebbieP |
Bye David. |
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MsDebbieP |
ah the “scroll down” ?? |
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Lee A. Jesberger |
right |
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Martin Sojka |
Lee I’m going to post the transcript as soon as possible so you can go through it then |
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shall1028 |
I must change that handle thing so it actually shows my name. I figured it was just for the system to give everyone a unique ID |
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MsDebbieP |
Before Martin kicks us out—gotta say “i love your work Lee!!!’ |
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Lee A. Jesberger |
great, sorry I missed it |
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Lee A. Jesberger |
Thank you |
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Martin Sojka |
yeah shall1028.. you can do that under your Account and provide Real Name there |
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shall1028 |
Will do thanks |
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shall1028 |
from Steven that is. |
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MsDebbieP |
that’s a good point Steven …. good promotion tool, always let the customer know who they are talking to :) even in a chat |
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shall1028 |
::laugh |
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Lee A. Jesberger |
In keeping with good manners, I don’t want to be the last to leave so I’ll sign off |
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Martin Sojka |
ok have a great rest of Sunday |
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MsDebbieP |
yes, we’d better let Martin get to bed |
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shall1028 |
quick everyone rush for the exit! before Lee! |
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Martin Sojka |
ha right |
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MsDebbieP |
bye everyone. |
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Martin Sojka |
Steven.. time to post some projects |
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shall1028 |
Yeah. Been following the RSS thing but nothing futher so far. |
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shall1028 |
Time to comb the hard drive for the pics. |
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shall1028 |
bye |
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Martin Sojka |
great. thanks for coming! |
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Martin Sojka |
bye |
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Martin Sojka |
hey BSB.. I’m just going to close |
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Martin Sojka |
thanks for participating! |
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BlueStingrayBoots |
By it was great! |
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Martin Sojka |
yeah. going to post the transcript asap |
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Martin Sojka |
byeee |
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