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Big_T

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09-20-2014 10:13 PM

Hi guys/gals and you know who you are, I hope.. lol

Being a bean counter I am not happy about spending so much on a saw when i could get a Delta 36-725 for under $600 but wife has officially demanded I get a Saw Stop. Problem is I need to know which one and why would anyone would need a bigger fence than 30”? Are the fences different on each model? etc

Back in the 80s I made a few chairs and a cabinet, but now I’m retired and I have more time – just ask my wife. So could someone explain why I shouldn’t get the “cheap” contractor model? After taking some online courses it will be used maybe once a month and stored during the hotter months. Projects are only for our home, just in case I mess up, and you know it’s gonna happen.

Thanks


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#1 posted 09-20-2014 10:54 PM

Travis, since you mentioned that you will only use it once a month, I would suggest the least expensive one you can find. However, since you will use a TS so little, perhaps, you should consider going the hand tool rout. You can buy the very best hand saw(s) for less that a SawStop. Regarding the size TS to buy, that depends on your intended use; will you make decorative boxes or kitchen cabinets? Also, do you have the room for a TS with a 52” fence or are you space challenged? HTH

-- Art

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#2 posted 09-20-2014 11:26 PM

Travis, the Sawstop site is pretty good and has a section (or used to) on what the differences are b/t each saw. Main thing is that if you are only going to use it very infrequently you may not need the heft and floorspace of a cabinet saw ie. the Sawstop PCS series, you may be better just to buy one of their contractor models.

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#3 posted 09-21-2014 04:53 AM

In the last couple of hours I read someone had a problem with the fence on the contractor model and suggested the PCS one had a more accurate “solid” fence. Can someone chime in about their experience with the fence on the contractor model?

I am space and budget challenged with 1/2 of a 2-car garage (9×20) and a $5000 max budget, so the $3000 PCS model would take a big chunk out of it. I have some hand tools but old age is creeping in and I prefer letting the machines work the wood.

I need to budget a TS, Scroll, Router, Band, Sander, hand shaping tools and various clamps.
Install ceiling & wall cabinets.
Buy a good DC.

Did I miss anything? oh yeah, win the lottery!

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#4 posted 09-21-2014 05:04 AM

With your budget I would get the contractor saw with cast iron wings and the 36” fence setup. This will run you around $2000 and should meet all your needs. If you go up to the PCS model, you are talking $3000+ range and that won’t leave you much for everything else.

-- Earl

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#5 posted 09-21-2014 05:09 AM

Does anyone make gloves that can withstand a nick from a TS blade?

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#6 posted 09-21-2014 12:39 PM

The SS contractor model is the least expensive path to getting the SS safety technology, but IMHO it offers the least value for what you spend. The contractor model comes with a fairly humble fence for a $1600+ saw, and has stamped steel wings. The outboard motor also takes up extra space….a potential concern since you mentioned being space constrained. The T-Glide fence and cast wings takes to ~ $2k and still takes up more space.

The PCS 1.75 hp with the T-Glide fence and cast wings runs ~ $2.5k, and adds ~ 150# of mass, better DC, cabinet saw design, and smaller footprint,.

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#7 posted 09-21-2014 11:22 PM

As busy as you are I am happy you made it to my thread. I just visited the SS site and added the PCS features to the Contractor model, the difference is nearly $500 cheaper than the PCS ($2197 vs $2668). But now after reading your comment, I re-visited the SS site, checked the 360 view and started crying. Here I thought I was getting a good deal but I’m glad you pointed it out. If I wasn’t space impaired, I would have gotten it today since a few stores are currently offering free shipping. Then I read your comment….....


The PCS 1.75 hp with the T-Glide fence and cast wings runs ~ $2.5k, and adds ~ 150# of mass, better DC, cabinet saw design, and smaller footprint,.

After reading this it’s hard to swallow the truth but so it goes. I don’t think safe woodworking is in my future, it’s too expensive and beyond my means. A $600 TS (Bosch 4100 or Delta 36-725) is financially feasible but wife will not approve. In my retirement I guess it’s on to to another hobby for me, maybe photography…...

Nice meeting you KnotScott and everyone here, have a nice holiday. Goodbye.

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#8 posted 09-22-2014 01:59 AM

Ok, I have the ICS. However the main reason I went that route was I wanted the 5hp and to get that I had to jump to that one. I also got the long table. It takes up a lot of real estate for sure, but its an awesome saw. I would at a minimum go with the PCS. Size wise not that much change betwen that and the contractor it’s just not.

The dust collection is much better(not that the other is terrible). The fence is decent on the other models but you want the besy style fence. Get the industrial base. You can move the saw around with a pinky. That will be nice if you have to move it out of the way for the garage. Next big question is do you have 220v? If you can have that, go pcs, and you will have plenty left over. I absolutely love my sawstop. Would not trade it for nothing. Besides you must keep the wife happy! If momma ain’t happy nobody happy! Take care.

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#9 posted 09-22-2014 04:46 AM

Your wife should talk to my wife. She’s always encouraging me to do dangerous stuff. Wonder if she has a hidden agenda?

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#10 posted 09-22-2014 08:10 AM

I have had the PCS for three years now and am satisfied for the most part. The 3HP has been plenty, including e.g. some on-edge white oak 4” wide (I don’t have a big bandsaw…).

The safety mechanism is certainly a great wife-approval-factor. So far, it fired two times when I accidentally saw into the aluminum part of the miter fence. That meant buying 2x a new blade and brake. Of course, it would have been much more expensive if it had been my finger, but I don’t want to start this debate…

What I am not so happy about is, that now, after three years of average use, the extension wings won’t line up anymore. They actually don’t sag, but tilt up slightly. I have tried lots of solutions, it’s close enough now…

Another thing that bothered me is the way how the faces on the fence are mounted. It’s really cumbersome to adjust/replace them. The insert nuts tend to bulge the wood and thus the fence is not 100% straight. But this can be fixed with a home-made fence face.

If I would do it all over again however, I would get a sliding table saw, e.g. a Hammer K3 Winner. I really like the concept, and even though it has no break safety system, I still feel that especially rip cuts would be a lot safer on a sliding table saw than on a regular table saw.

Another thought: Maybe get a good bandsaw instead? I often hear woodworkers say that they would rather give up their TS than their bandsaw if they could only keep one…

Well, just my two cents.

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#11 posted 09-22-2014 06:38 PM

3hp PCS w/ 36” fence. Wait until October, they seem to run their promotion every 6 months or so.

What you haven’t indicated is what sort of projects you’ll be building. You may be better served going with a good bandsaw and a track saw (Festool/DeWalt/Makita) for sheet goods and straight line ripping. Even a 24” bandsaw takes up less space than a tablesaw. It’s a lot easier to find a medium-large or bigger used bandsaw than it is to find a used SawStop. I’ve seen one used SawStop here in a year of watching, 2 24” Italian bandsaws, and many 15-20” Delta, Grizzly, Jet, Powermatic, Laguna, etc bandsaws in the same time.

Remember, there’s a lot of different ways to butcher wood.

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#12 posted 09-22-2014 08:24 PM


After reading this it s hard to swallow the truth but so it goes. I don t think safe woodworking is in my future, it s too expensive and beyond my means. A $600 TS (Bosch 4100 or Delta 36-725) is financially feasible but wife will not approve. In my retirement I guess it s on to to another hobby for me, maybe photography…...

Nice meeting you KnotScott and everyone here, have a nice holiday. Goodbye.

- Travis

You don’t need a Sawstop to be safe. Use safe practise. If your wife won’t let you get a table saw than buy a handsaw. There are plenty of ways of working without a table saw.

-- James

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#13 posted 09-23-2014 03:24 AM

Don’t.

Buy a good used Unisaw or Powermatic and be careful. Constantly.

I’ll bet Unisaws and Powermatics outnumber SS 50-1 (probably more on here) and few major injuries reported.

I have a shark guard and use my big heavy crosscut sled…..which shows very little blade….........and still have all 11 digits I value the most.

Bruce.

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#14 posted 09-23-2014 07:41 AM



Don t.

...........and still have all 11 digits I value the most.

Bruce.

- CPLUSWoodworker

Bruce, Does that include any toes? ;-)

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#15 posted 09-23-2014 07:51 AM



3hp PCS w/ 36” fence. Wait until October, they seem to run their promotion every 6 months or so.
.................
What you haven t indicated is what sort of projects you ll be building. You may be better served going with a good bandsaw and a track saw (Festool/DeWalt/Makita) for sheet goods and straight line ripping.
Remember, there s a lot of different ways to butcher wood.

- BikerDad

I was thinking about waiting for Black Friday, but if they have a promo sooner then all the better. The TS is for projects I have been planning since we moved here a couple years ago to improve and beautify the home. Wife hates the out-dated kitchen, wants a back yard pergola, some built-ins and American Craftsman style touches added around the home. That should keep me busy for a year or so, then onto other office furniture projects.

The track/band saws look like a good idea too. I already have a Bora track for my circular so maybe I will just forget the SS and get a good band saw, drill press and DC.

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