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Forum topic by FancyShoes posted 09-17-2014 01:22 AM 819 views 1 time favorited 9 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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FancyShoes

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09-17-2014 01:22 AM

Is it difficult to come accross 20ft long pieces of red cedar?

I may need some to finish the canoe I am wanting to start soon.

also if you guys know what kind of pricing I should expect.

thanks

I paid $8 for the canoe and all the strips on the ground at a auction last year. I had been wanting to build one for the past few years and found a great deal. Im taking all the old strips off, and start over since there is a lot of damage on the old pieces.


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runswithscissors

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#1 posted 09-17-2014 06:43 AM

If you can’t find 20 foot cedar (not easy nowadays), you can scarf pieces end to end. Use at least an 8:1 bevel ratio. Scatter the joints when you put the “planks” on the hull.

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#2 posted 09-17-2014 12:49 PM

A few years back I bought some ERC, and my hardwood place had lengths up to 16ft. You may be able to talk to them and see if there’s any way they can get longer pieces in.

-- - The mightiest oak in the forest is just a little nut that held its ground.

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#3 posted 09-17-2014 12:58 PM

My sawyer often resizes RC timbers and gets some very long stock from that process, since it’s usually pretty thin he calls me and sells it a .50bf because he knows I go through it frequently for cooking salmon. Scarf joint was already mentioned & I wonder if you could use a finger joint bit to glue up the lengths you need.

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#4 posted 09-17-2014 01:53 PM

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sras

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#5 posted 09-17-2014 02:41 PM

Your best bet would be a specialty shop that sells architectural cedar (think big beams in a church). Get ready to spend money…

On the other hand the scarf joint is a great solution. The finger joint is not likely to hold up to the twists and bends the strips go through when they go on the forms.

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shipwright

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#6 posted 09-17-2014 03:26 PM

8:1 scarf as mentioned above will give continuous strength, just like a long piece.
On another note, good call on removing the old planking. I’m guessing that this project was aborted because it was becoming difficult to plank. The last picture looks all wrong.
Make very sure that the molds are all plumb, square and fair before you jump in and start replanking.

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#7 posted 09-22-2014 02:04 AM

I’m not sure if your looking for ERC (aromatic) or WRC but Cedar USA in Indiana has anything you could imagine when it comes to ERC. I believe shipping is 50-80$ for a decent sized order.

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#8 posted 09-22-2014 02:15 AM

I’m assuming you’re looking for western red cedar or possible Atlantic white cedar. I know that the local lumber yard that supplied my red cedar deck lumber would at least be able to order some 20’. 16’ is very common. 20’ will probably cost $40-$50.

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#9 posted 09-22-2014 12:10 PM

+1 on Cedar USA.

Richard (the owner, who goes by Cedarman on another forum…) is a great guy and if they can’t help you, nobody can.

Herb

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