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Forum topic by Delta356 posted 08-12-2014 06:23 PM 1235 views 0 times favorited 15 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Delta356

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08-12-2014 06:23 PM

Hi all. Hope everyone is enjoying there woodworking. Have not posted for a long time. Running a woodworking business takes 99% of your time. Anyways I thought I would share with you some sad news. Delta Power Equipment has moved there once American made UNISAW to taiwan. Just got off the phone speaking with a Delta tech rep and he informed me that they ended up moving the saw manufacturing to taiwan. My understanding of what he told me is people were not buying the saw because of the price. The saws were not selling and the market fell for the american made unit. One thing I will mention, when the saw was made here in USA (most of it ) it was around 3,000 for the base unit of 3hp 36” fence. I’m seeing some companies selling it for over $ 3,000 +. The question I ask is by going to taiwan shouldn’t the price go down ?

As we all know the Asian makers can make quality and effect machines. The rep told me that they moved the equipment they used to make it here in South Carolina over to taiwan so the quality of the UNISAW should be up to the former USA made one. I think it comes down to morals of equipment LOL.. If theres any.. Delta was really the last company to make a woodworking machine here. I don’t know about you guys, but I like to see a USA made stamp on machinery. It gives me some sort of pride that its american made, made by americans and was made right on our land, with our materials and our expertise.

I don’t know when Delta switched the country of origin , if this old news to you guys, sorry. I just learned of it today.

What do all think of the change, bad, good ect..

Thanks, Michael Frey
Portland, OR
FREY WOODWORKING INC.


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timbertailor

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#1 posted 08-12-2014 06:38 PM

How are American companies supposed to compete if they are not on a level playing field?

If you do not have to pay health insurance, workman’s comp, overtime, obey EPA and OSHA and every other industry standard, minimum wage, taxes, child labor laws, EOE, etc.

Our government sold out to the Asian country’s decades ago.

Leaves few options for American business men.

Combine that with the “McDonald’s Syndrome” of a vast number of Americans, and you have a country that does not want quality, just quantity, convenience, and a cheap price.

-- Brad, Texas, https://www.youtube.com/user/tonkatoytruck/feed

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Mark Davisson

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#2 posted 08-12-2014 06:45 PM

I believe the change was made when Chang Type bought Delta from Stanley and moved it to Anderson in 2011. The operation they set up in S. Carolina was not a manufacturing operation but an assembly operation (the majority of employees – somewhere between 20 and 40 – are actually executive, administrative and marketing), assembling parts floated to S. Carolina from Taiwan.

-- I'm selfless because it feels so good!

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Delta356

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#3 posted 08-12-2014 06:47 PM

timbertailor. Great point. Could not agree with you more. I get why they went overseas. Just sad to see, but not new news. It has happen to pretty much every tool maker.

Thanks, Michael Frey
Portland, OR
FREY WOODWORKING INC.

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#4 posted 08-12-2014 08:49 PM

Taiwan has a much better track record than Chinese factories. Made in USA really doesn’t mean much anymore. When they were built here 50+ years ago, they were built using skilled machinists. Over the years, skilled workers gave way to automation, so all we can really say is “assembled” by American workers. Automatic machines work the same in Taiwan and the USA. I expect the Taiwanese version to be no worse than the USA version.

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robscastle

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#5 posted 08-12-2014 09:31 PM

Well men its not just the USA the trend to “get somebody else to do it” is well entrenched in Australia too.
I seems to me that there is absolutely no interest in growing the country, its all make as much profit as you can while while the going is good.
The CEO do not care the shareholders do not care as they have stripped all the profits out of the business and move on somewhere else to repeat the process.

What we may be eventually be left with is a nation of workers using sophisticated equipment that nobody has the build skills or equipment availaable to repair if and when it breaks down.

Instead we will be subjected to long delays whilst the OEM overseas suppliers send parts, and from experience they would rather sell you a replacement machine than an individual spare part.
Hence fostering the throw away society.

I an not advocating straightening nails in re using them either, but there needs to be a repair replace line where we can repair an item in a cost effective way of doing so and then continue on.

At the moment we have a situation that even attempting to dismantle an item to investigate the repair options that some of the tools required to do the task are cost prohibitive due to their prospective one off use.

Take the humble lawn mower for example, change the plug, blades oil and may be wheel or two.
Anything more than that and its a “dont put that oily dirty machine on my wood working bench thanks!

So off it goes outsourced for repair. Added with the fact…. hey… I do wood work not mechanical work.
Then if we do have the repair skills the shop gets converted from its primary role to that of a mower repair center we get subjected to massive one off item costs to do the job by our local supplier. Would you pay $10 for a fuel filter when you can get one on the net for $2 free delivery?

Where do you think the mower repair center gets their supplies from?

-- Regards Robert

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Jerry

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#6 posted 08-12-2014 09:37 PM

I agree with the feeling of having a truly made in the US machine. It makes me proud to show off our shop which is mostly US made machinery. In fact, we almost always purchase old American made machinery at auctions on a fairly regular basis.

-- Jerry Nettrour, San Antonio, www.topqualitycabinets.net

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Knothead62

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#7 posted 08-12-2014 10:38 PM

Chinese workers get about $500 per month plus a ton of benefits from the government. They get things we have to pay for.

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Mark Davisson

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#8 posted 08-13-2014 12:01 AM



Would you pay $10 for a fuel filter when you can get one on the net for $2 free delivery?

Where do you think the mower repair center gets their supplies from?

- robscastle

Robert, are you saying that it’s a bad thing when a mower repair center uses the internet to order parts?

-- I'm selfless because it feels so good!

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Delta356

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#9 posted 08-13-2014 02:20 AM

Hi all thank you for your inputs so far.. It was interesting to see even after Delta was bought by a taiwanese company they still made things here. I guess that ship has sailed. If keep with Delta you can notice they have obsoleted a lot of items. I think there wanting to make them there own machines an not the B&D designed machines. In my opinion Delta still makes quality items. I just bought there 6X89 edge sander. I’m very impressed with it so far… I’m wanting to get the new UNISAW, but first I’m going to call delta and find out which model number corresponds with the American made UNISAW, and hopefully find a company with some old stock. Probably machines not made after dec 2013. I like there style saw, but want it american made.

Thanks, Michael Frey
Portland, OR
FREY WOODWORKING INC.

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#10 posted 08-13-2014 02:25 AM

I pledge allegiance to the United States of America…:)

-- JEFF Illinois (Banks of the Mississippi)

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MrRon

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#11 posted 08-13-2014 05:50 PM

Nothing anymore is 100% made in America. Not Ford, not GM, not Delta. It is a universal economy where everyone contributes to the market place. I’m sure this is a good thing overall. I had an old Plymouth with less than 100K miles. It burned a quart of oil every 50 miles. Cars today get 250K+ miles, so not everything has gone to the dogs.

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Delta356

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#12 posted 08-13-2014 06:14 PM

MrRon. ” Good thing over all” Really ? What happened to the Delta employes that made the UNISAW ?. They lost there jobs. It always ends up hurting someone. In Deltas sense, it hurt jobs here in the USA. But like you say in the car industry overall having everyone contribute to it is not bad. I agree with you on that point.

In my opinion this move not only hurt the former Delta employes that made the UNISAW, but it also hurts other companies that were providing parts for the UNISAW, such as the casting companies, the metal companies, ect.
I know this is not new news, but it just sucks that the last company that held on with a USA made woodworking equipment, had to leave our land… What is done is done…

Cheers, Mike F.
Portland, OR
FREY WOODWORKING INC.

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joeyinsouthaustin

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#13 posted 08-13-2014 06:42 PM

See quote below.

-- Who is John Galt?

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diverlloyd

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#14 posted 08-13-2014 08:13 PM

Well this is easy enough don’t buy the new items from them buy the old stuff.This must be why Norm retired. Just like craftsman tools not made in the usa anymore, check the box before you buy. I think the screw drivers are still made here but if you are going to pay regular usa prices for something made oversees why wouldn’t buy a better item for the same price. Like I quit buying craftsman and started buying kobalt mechanic tools. I believe the kobalt is a better tool then the craftsman. I only bought craftsman for it being made in the usa now it’s not and I’m buying kobalt, both are made overseas but one is better. It’s said that this country was built be the working class and now we are being wiped out to fatten a congressmans pocket. So good job to our government way to look out for yourself and breaking the oath you made to the country. So that’s my 2 cents

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Woodmaster1

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#15 posted 08-13-2014 08:43 PM

I am glad I bought my unisaw before it went acrossed the ocean. If the quality is maintained it will still be a great saw. All of the rest of the table saws are made overseas so the design is what you would be buying.

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