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Joshua Oehler

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07-28-2014 07:30 PM

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Due to my uncle passing I was given some of his hand tools. I am attempting to date these hand planes and I plan on restoring them. What I believe I have is a Stanley No. 4 Type 15 Sweetheart (1931-1932) and a Stanley No. 5 Type 14 (1929-1930) Here are some pictures

No 4 SW
Before


After Restoration


No 5

This is what is throwing me off a little bit on the number 5. The iron has a patent date on it reading L. Baileys Patent Dec. 24 1867. From what I have found this was changed in very early years. but other things on the plane seem to point towards it being a much later type. I guess it’s possible that this was replaced I guess.

Also of anyone has any tips for restoring these it would be most appreciated. I have never dove into anything like this but I really don’t want to ruin something like this that has alot of sentimental value to me.

-- - "But old news can change, as memories float downstream. So don't judge me by my failures, only by my dreams"


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#1 posted 07-28-2014 08:40 PM

Stanley is famous for using up old parts and not abiding by the type studies. The iron on the #4 is older than the plane as well; it’s a much earlier SW logo than the T14/15 would indicate.

That said, same applies to the chipbreaker on your jack plane. And it’s quite likely they’re both original to your uncle’s planes.

For refurb advise, check out Don W’s blogs here on LJs and his website, timetestedtools for detailed processes and pics. There may not be a better resource, I think.

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive --

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#2 posted 07-28-2014 10:18 PM

Thanks Smitty, I will check that out for sure.

-- - "But old news can change, as memories float downstream. So don't judge me by my failures, only by my dreams"

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#3 posted 07-28-2014 11:02 PM

thanks for the plug Smitty.

Here’s the restore help.

in my opinion, You’ve got the types correct. The irons and chip breaker are to easy to change. The chip breaker is definitely older then either of the planes.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.net

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#4 posted 07-29-2014 12:15 AM

Thanks for the links Don. I am in the process of working on the No. 4 now. I will post some results once I get it finished. I don’t think I am going to get too carried away with it as most of the japanning on the No. 4 is in good shape. Also I am doing it “The hard way” as you put it on your site!! This is my first time restoring one so I don’t alot of the stuff you use. How do you usually go about the tote handle? It is pretty beat up. Just using some sandpaper and some elbow grease?

-- - "But old news can change, as memories float downstream. So don't judge me by my failures, only by my dreams"

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#5 posted 07-29-2014 12:27 AM

I keep trying to find an easier way, but always wind up with several pieces of sandpaper.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.net

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#6 posted 07-29-2014 12:43 AM

Don, Have you ever attempted to refinish the nickel platting on the cap? I would be a little hesitant to paint that silver to give it the original look. I would think it would chip off pretty easy.

-- - "But old news can change, as memories float downstream. So don't judge me by my failures, only by my dreams"

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#7 posted 07-29-2014 12:46 AM

no. there are some kits out there. but I’ve never tried one. I typically derust it, polish it and leave it.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.net

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#8 posted 07-29-2014 12:48 AM

Looks like a fun time and you will have a couple good users when you are done.

For a lever cap with the plating coming off, I just strip the rest of the plating with a wire brush and then polish up the base metal. There’s just no good way to match nickel plating, short of getting someone to replate it.

-- "Good judgement is the result of experience. A lot of experience is the result of poor judgement."

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#9 posted 07-29-2014 12:48 AM

I should have added, one as bad as yours, I’d strip and leave bare metal. I like the bare metal better anyhow.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.net

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#10 posted 07-29-2014 02:34 AM

Thanks guys! Hopefully I don’t mess them up. I actually tested them out before I did anything to them and they worked just fine. The No.4 was a little fussy but it still worked. For as bad as they look my uncle did not have any power tools besides some sanders and a routing table that he only used for decorative edges. The only bit I even seen for it was a roman ogee bit. He did all of his jointing and planning with these 2 hand planes…and he did some really nice furniture with it. Mostly out of cedar which is pretty soft but still.

-- - "But old news can change, as memories float downstream. So don't judge me by my failures, only by my dreams"

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#11 posted 07-29-2014 02:49 PM

@Joshua : Don’t be fooled that these handplanes can work on soft wood. Hardwood is very possible as it is. Just need a very sharp blade.

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#12 posted 07-29-2014 10:45 PM

Yeah I figured a good sharpening and they would work fine. I know myself though and if I would have just sharpened them and starting using them that I would never get to the restoring them part. Kind of how they say never drive a car you are restoring..once it gets to the point you can drive it you will never get the restore finished!

-- - "But old news can change, as memories float downstream. So don't judge me by my failures, only by my dreams"

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#13 posted 07-30-2014 03:37 AM

@Joshua – For the Stanley a new blade or cap iron will do wonders. I really enjoy my handplane with these changes.

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#14 posted 08-01-2014 01:58 AM

I think the #4 is newer than a Type 15 based on the frog. According to Rexmill.com, Stanley was still using the “flat face” frogs in the 15’s. That said, it will probably still be a great user.

-- Dave, Colonie, NY

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#15 posted 08-01-2014 02:19 AM

Thanks for the info Sikrap

-- - "But old news can change, as memories float downstream. So don't judge me by my failures, only by my dreams"

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