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Blackie_

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07-22-2014 12:06 PM

Since I’ve been dealing with a lot of mesquite as of lately, every now and then I run across a project made from mesquite that the woodworking is referring it as Black Mesquite, it appears this is a made up ruse in order to enhance it’s appeal to a would be buyer in deceiving them to purchase it? I’ve done research and perhaps I’m missing something but I’m not finding any such tree called Black Mesquite there are only three species which are, Honey Mesquite, Screwbean Mesquite and Velvet Mesquite, why not call it for what it truly is and that is just plan ole Mesquite.

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Jim Jakosh

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#1 posted 07-22-2014 12:17 PM

Thanks, Randy. I’ve just heard of plain old mesquite from Arizona.But I know it is Texas and you also have Ironwood in Texas…..............and spalted hackberry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you know where the two types are found?

Is there any difference in color of the honey and the velvet types?

Thanks Jim…I learned something new today!!

-- Jim Jakosh.....Practical Wood Products...........Learn something new every day!! Variety is the Spice of Life!!

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grizzman

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#2 posted 07-22-2014 12:17 PM

maybe i should do some grafting and come up with a new species , then become rich selling black mesquite, i know of a tree that has all black wood….:),,,graft a mesquite in with it and see what happens…come on and get in with me randy, we will become rich…how long would it take to grow these new tree’s….i don’t think i will be here…dang it was a good idea…lol…

-- GRIZZMAN ...[''''']

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Blackie_

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#3 posted 07-22-2014 12:22 PM

Jim, I didn’t go to far into details between the two species only that there are only these two, I’m guessing the tree that I cut from my back yard was honey and I’m thinking that’s the most popular wood used among woodworkers, there’s a difference in the leaves is all I know, One thing though that is different is the Honey grows the tallest reaching up to 60 feet the other two Velvet and Screwbean only reach 20 feet, there was a third that I missed called Screwbean.

as for as the spalted Hackberry goes actually hackberry is pure white, white as snow it’s how you cure it to become spalted as it spalts very fast :)

Grizz you bet :) LOL

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Nubsnstubs

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#4 posted 07-22-2014 01:56 PM

Around Tucson, the native Mesquite is Velvet. I’m talking about in the desert, not in town, where most of the Mesquites are imports.

I got some trees from a construction project on the banks of the Santa Cruz(dry) River, and the wood is definately different than the South American Mesquites that are yard trees.

I have never heard of Black Mesquite. I do use the term when telling people about the black cracks in Mesquite. If you are a turner, avoide them until they are stabilized….... Jerry (in Tucson)

-- Jerry (in Tucson)

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bondogaposis

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#5 posted 07-22-2014 02:19 PM

Prosopis nigra, is a South American species. Woodcraft sells turning blanks.

-- Bondo Gaposis

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Blackie_

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#6 posted 07-22-2014 02:27 PM

humm well maybe Bondo, I am corrected the south American does resemble our north American, when I googled mesquite trees only the north American species came up with the three named species I mentioned nothing found on the south American species.

I followed your lead and googled south American mesquite and some popped up.

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#7 posted 07-22-2014 02:36 PM

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Blackie_

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#8 posted 07-22-2014 02:44 PM

Since mesquite is so popular among the population especially with us here USA with it’s many uses of BBQ, fire wood, wall art, furniture, etc… I don’t think people really care where it comes from to them Mesquite is Mesquite it all looks the same and no matter where it comes from it’s all priced the same, expensive. :) I guess if it helps make the sale then more power to them, I’ll start calling my projects Texas Mesquite, sounds better anyway :)

-- Randy - If I'm not on LJ's then I'm making Saw Dust. Please feel free to visit my store location at http://www.facebook.com/randy.blackstock.custom.wood.designs

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Donna Menke

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#9 posted 07-22-2014 04:28 PM

Hmmmm, I have a large piece of very dark wood that was given to me that he said was Texas Ebony. It is very dense and hard as a rock. I was told that it came from the desert of New Mexico or Arizona.
https://www.google.com/search?q=texas+ebony+wood&espv=2&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=0pDOU5-UA46pyASlioLwBQ&ved=0CBwQsAQ&biw=1600&bih=775

-- "So much wood. . .so little time!" www.woodworks-by-donna.com

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Blackie_

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#10 posted 07-22-2014 04:30 PM

Interesting Donna, how’ve you been?

-- Randy - If I'm not on LJ's then I'm making Saw Dust. Please feel free to visit my store location at http://www.facebook.com/randy.blackstock.custom.wood.designs

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Donna Menke

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#11 posted 07-22-2014 04:42 PM

Doing great, Randy. No woodworking for a while now. need to clean out the shop and get busy with a project.

-- "So much wood. . .so little time!" www.woodworks-by-donna.com

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Blackie_

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#12 posted 07-22-2014 04:44 PM

Ah must get busy then :)

-- Randy - If I'm not on LJ's then I'm making Saw Dust. Please feel free to visit my store location at http://www.facebook.com/randy.blackstock.custom.wood.designs

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shampeon

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#13 posted 07-22-2014 05:27 PM

Donna: some Texas ebony projects I’ve done:

Texas ebony is separate from the mesquite species, but is native to the same environments. It’s very, very beautiful, and large pieces are relatively rare, so you’re quite lucky.

-- ian | "You can't stop what's coming. It ain't all waiting on you. That's vanity."

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Donna Menke

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#14 posted 07-22-2014 07:20 PM

The person who gave it to me is a Mexican/American fellow who traveled to the Valley on business. The piece is about 5’ long, 1” thick and 8” wide, with very irregular edges and some bark at the ends. I hope I live long enough to make good use of it.

-- "So much wood. . .so little time!" www.woodworks-by-donna.com

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