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onesojourner

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07-11-2014 06:41 PM

I found this old guy a CL about 30 minutes from home and decided to jump on it. I have been debating about saving for a jointer planer combo or getting something used. I have been cruising craigslist for months looking for 8” or larger jointers and when this came up I bit. I picked it up for $250. It is in a semi functional state. The knives have a 3/4 nick and 2 of the knives are short, so short that I am not sure it is safe to use.

You can see the short knife and the nick in this picture. You can also see how the knives are scewed in the cutterhead. The other 2 knives are a good amount longer and I think they can be sharpened and put back into service.

The machine came with some sort of addon on the right table, probably for some sort of guard, that is missing.

So I pulled it off and got down to the original paint color.

At this point I plan to pull the head apart and examine it for damage and get 2 new knives in there. I will give it a good cleaning and oil all the bearings. I have put it on a shopfox mobile base (they are on sale this week). This machine is unbelievable heavy for its size. I will also build a guard for it. I will use it for a while and if I like it I will probably look into a byrd cutterhead for it. along with a full tear down, clean and repaint.

This is my first jointer and my first functional piece of old arn, so if you have any tips I would love to hear them.

-- http://icftfsystemshome.blogspot.com/


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Loren

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#1 posted 07-11-2014 06:55 PM

Sweet. Nice stand too.

Jointer knives are a bit tricky to set. One solution is to
glue rare-earth magnets to a piece of plate glass, 4
magnets to stick to the jointer table and 2 or more
to pull the knives up.

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onesojourner

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#2 posted 07-12-2014 06:01 PM

I did get the knives all out, there were no issues. You can see that they were not kept on the same sharpening schedule. I guess with a 4 knife cutterhead it still keeps everything balanced.

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2 of the knives are 8 and 1/16th and 2 of the knives are 8 and 3/32nds. I am not sure how big of a deal that is. Woodworkerstoolworks lists them as 8 and 1/16th.

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I got the tables cleaned up. I scraped them with a razor blade and then used some wd40, a scotch bright pad and a random orbit sander. They cleaned up pretty decent. I also worked on loosing up the table movement. It was a two hand project to move them and now they both can be moved up and down with one hand. I do not have an accurate straight edge, but I used my carpenter square and it seems there is a bit of a high spot towards the front of the outfeed table. The square rocks just a bit. maybe .01 at the most.

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There is also some pretty heavy gauging on the tables, I am not sure what they would have ran through the machine to cause this.

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Next up is the fence. It is pretty tight and does not move easy at all so I will clean up the face and get it moving smoothly.

So I have some questions.

1: when re-installing knives how far should they protrude from the cutterhead?

2: Is there a manual for another machine that might help explain setting the knives? this is my first jointer and my only experience is on my grandfathers inca combo machine.

3: I have seen a few references to jointing, or stoning the knives. Can some one explain this? IS it done with the machine running?

-- http://icftfsystemshome.blogspot.com/

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Loren

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#3 posted 07-12-2014 06:11 PM

1. At their highest point in their arc of travel the tips should
be just a hair proud of the outfeed table level. Some people
will say they should be at the same level, but that’s not
actually achievable.

2. I’m sure there are online articles how to do it. You
may want to buy (jointer pal) or make a knife setting jig
(float glass with rare earth magnets glued to it).

3. It’s done with the machine unplugged. You can get a
special stone mounted in a wood handle for less than
$10. It’s a way to touch up the edges without removing
the knives.

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unbob

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#4 posted 07-12-2014 07:26 PM

The are two manuals on the vintage machine site-this is one.
http://vintagemachinery.org/pubs/809/6597.pdf

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#5 posted 07-12-2014 09:28 PM

I agree, nice stand and machine.

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onesojourner

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#6 posted 07-14-2014 02:28 PM

I am not sure why the images did not come through:

I did get the knives all out, there were no issues. You can see that they were not kept on the same sharpening schedule. I guess with a 4 knife cutterhead it still keeps everything balanced.

2 of the knives are 8 and 1/16th and 2 of the knives are 8 and 3/32nds. I am not sure how big of a deal that is. Woodworkerstoolworks lists them as 8 and 1/16th.

I got the tables cleaned up. I scraped them with a razor blade and then used some wd40, a scotch bright pad and a random orbit sander. They cleaned up pretty decent. I also worked on loosing up the table movement. It was a two hand project to move them and now they both can be moved up and down with one hand. I do not have an accurate straight edge, but I used my carpenter square and it seems there is a bit of a high spot towards the front of the outfeed table. The square rocks just a bit. maybe .01 at the most.

There is also some pretty heavy gauging on the tables, I am not sure what they would have ran through the machine to cause this.

Next up is the fence. It is pretty tight and does not move easy at all so I will clean up the face and get it moving smoothly.

So I have some questions.

1: when re-installing knives how far should they protrude from the cutterhead?

2: Is there a manual for another machine that might help explain setting the knives? this is my first jointer and my only experience is on my grandfathers inca combo machine.

3: I have seen a few references to jointing, or stoning the knives. Can some one explain this? IS it done with the machine running?

- onesojourner

Thanks unbob, I had seen that manual before but I had missed stuff because of the split screen. This cutterhead looks like it was advanced even by today’s standards.

It does have a very nice stand, it does have a bit of wobble in it though so I am going to have to take care of that at some point. I went ahead and ordered a full set of knives so hopefully I will be able to make some sawdust by the weekend.

-- http://icftfsystemshome.blogspot.com/

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unbob

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#7 posted 07-14-2014 04:11 PM

I have only seen a few cutter heads with the blades set at an angle. The last one was for a moulding machine. Often, on freaky grain woods that want to tear, the craftsman would skew the wood so the grain would be at an angle to the knives.
On knife height, most often the knives are set so as there is a small amount of flat below the bevel protruding-perhaps 1/16”.

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onesojourner

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#8 posted 07-14-2014 04:25 PM

3. It s done with the machine unplugged. You can get a
special stone mounted in a wood handle for less than
$10. It s a way to touch up the edges without removing
the knives.

- Loren

I have not found anything on the Wallace but an old Delta publication states to do it while the machine is on:

-- http://icftfsystemshome.blogspot.com/

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unbob

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#9 posted 07-14-2014 05:15 PM

You are not going to be able to do the “wetting” touch up with your head because the knives are held at an angle, or the head will have to be slightly rotated as a stone is moved across-that would be very hard to do.

The “jointing” the knives is done with the head powered up and a stone moved across. This only works the very tip of the blade.
A fresh ground blade can only be jointed a few times, when the tip of the knife shows a grind of over 1/32”. the knife will begin to rub more then cut, get hot burn the knife and the wood being cut.
There is info on that in the old Powermatic planer manuals.
I am not brave enough to “joint” the knives in a running jointer, but old timers still do.

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#10 posted 11-11-2014 04:26 AM

You mentioned getting a different base for the unit. Would you be interested in selling the original base?

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#11 posted 11-11-2014 04:32 AM

Btw, I set my knives about 1/16th out from the spindle and used magnetic based dial indicators to set them. It took a while but it cuts straight and true. Didn’t know how else to do it at the time.

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