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Forum topic by marco2800 posted 44 days ago 694 views 0 times favorited 30 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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marco2800

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44 days ago

Hi all!

This is my first post on this forum. So I am about to have my house signed off after a complete remodel and addition. My father did the majority of the building but we had a contractor finish a chunk of the rough finishing off. I did all the interior myself (bathrooms, hardwood floors, tile, kitchen cabinets).

I really would like to build my own furniture (night stands, bookshelves, build-ins). We have been using 12” Craftsman 220V saw, my dad bought new about 25 years ago. The saw has worked great.

But in order to make cabinets and furniture, I think we need to upgrade to a more powerful and accurate/precise saw.

I found a Powermatic 66 with a 52” Biesemeyer fence. Looks to be in great condition, solid cast iron base and top. The ad states that the motor is 5 horsepower, but I am almost certain this is incorrect, as the saw runs off single phase power. It is a green model so I know its an older model from some research. The seller states his father bought the saw for hobby use and not production work.

I am hoping it is a 3HP model, the saw is about 50 miles away. Is there anyway to know the HP from the serial number? I don’t think the seller is tech-savy enough to crawl under the saw and look at the plate on the motor.

If it is a 1.5hp model, will it have enough power for my needs? I think the thickest piece I will ever cut is 3”. As I have a 5 horse radial arm saw. I plan on giving the Craftsman to my brother once(if) I bring the PM66 home.

The seller is firm at $650.00. Does this sound reasonable?

From what I have read, the PM66 is one of the best saws out there.

Thanks,

Marco


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JayT

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#1 posted 43 days ago

Why can’t it be 5HP and single phase? There are still 5HP, single phase saws in production. It will take a 30A circuit, whereas a 3HP only needs a 20A circuit (both 230V, of course).

$650 sounds very reasonable to me if it is in good shape.

Edit: Forgot to say—Welcome to LumberJocks.

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Jerry

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#2 posted 43 days ago

It is a very very fair deal. Go and look it over. It can very well be 5 hp on single phase. Or it could be 5 hp 3 phase running on a static converter. Either way it would be a great addition to your shop.

If it in deed has the Bies fence, it is a good deal for the asking price.

There are many fans out there for the older green Powermatic saws. Me personally, I just love the PM66 saws and have owned several of all ages. The newest PM66 we have owned was a 2001.

We own two PM66 right now and hope to add a third PM66 in the next 6 months or so. They are also left tilt which is a great option on a saw.

-- Jerry Nettrour, San Antonio, www.topqualitycabinets.net

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Fred Hargis

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#3 posted 43 days ago

It’s fairly common, lots of table saws are set up with 5 HP/single phase motors. I see $650 as a great buy on that saw, in good condition. I’d be running to see it before someone else gets there first.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, we sent 'em to Washington.

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TheFridge

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#4 posted 43 days ago

It could be 30A 240v or something along those lines.

For that price it’d be in my shop yesterday.

-- "We build our workshops. Then we enjoy the fruits of our labor by laboring for more fruits." - Me

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marco2800

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#5 posted 43 days ago

Hey guys. Thanks for the replies! I hope it is the 5 horse model. Here is a photo, I am heading over tomorrow to pick it up. Anyone have a guess on the weight?

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huff

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#6 posted 43 days ago

marco2800,

If I remember right, it will weigh about 600 lbs with the fence, wings and extension wing. You can remove all those parts and reduce the weight for moving. My model 66 was a 5hp, single phase. Great saw!

-- John @ http://www.thehuffordfurnituregroup.com

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marco2800

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#7 posted 43 days ago

Hi Huff,

Will the fence, wings, and extension wings remove fairly easily?

I plan on brining two friends with me to help.

Thanks,

Marco

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jonah

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#8 posted 43 days ago

Removing all of those pieces requires nothing more than a set of combination wrenches and a screwdriver or two.

Unless you’ve got some kind of roll-on-roll-off trailer, take the thing apart as much as you can for transport. Table saws are incredibly top heavy and tippy in transport because of the cast iron tops.

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marco2800

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#9 posted 43 days ago

I appreciate the input Jonah.

In the worst case the motor is actually the 1.5HP motor and not the 5HP motor, is it still worth buying for $650?

He mentioned the motor runs beautifully and vibration free.

Is the motor easily upgradeable? What kind of grease/lubricant would you use on the adjusting gears?

Thanks!

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JayT

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#10 posted 43 days ago

Doubt that is the case, the pic looks like a 230V switch to me, which would make it either 3HP or 5HP. I’d lay odds the seller knows what they are advertising. I’ve been wrong before, though . . . . . once :-)

Use paraffin on the gears, not grease. You don’t want anything that will attract or trap sawdust.

-- "The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money." Alexis de Tocqueville, 1835

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marco2800

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#11 posted 43 days ago

Awesome. Thanks for the input and help guys. Great forum.

-Marco

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joeyinsouthaustin

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#12 posted 43 days ago

The questions have been answered, I just felt the need to chime in and say, “pretty saw”

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Jerry

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#13 posted 43 days ago

I buy PM66 saws fairly regularly and I have never ran across any PM66 with a 1.5 hp motor. Delta Unisaws have had some with smaller motors less than 3 hp, but I have not found anything less than a 3hp in the PM66 saws.

I would have to say that saw is worth more than the current asking price. So you are getting a fair deal.

I did own one that had wobble in the blade, only noticeable when the saw was turned off. You could see the blade wobble when it slowed down to a stop. I swapped to a brand new blade and the issue still existed. I assume it was an issue with the arbor. I was going to repair the saw but had a buyer who wanted it badly and so I sold it with a discount and full disclosure.

I just mention that because you might check the blade on run down to ensure no issues with the arbor.

-- Jerry Nettrour, San Antonio, www.topqualitycabinets.net

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knotscott

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#14 posted 43 days ago

Sounds like a steal for $650!

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huff

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#15 posted 43 days ago

marco2800,

Sorry I didn’t get back with you sooner but was working. I’m glad others answered your questions. That saw should last you as long as you want it.

Good luck.

-- John @ http://www.thehuffordfurnituregroup.com

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