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Forum topic by knotscott posted 07-05-2014 11:44 PM 969 views 0 times favorited 9 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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knotscott

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07-05-2014 11:44 PM

The title pretty much says it all. Has anyone ever tried a lighter color stain as a wood conditioner. The plan is to stain generic pine dark, and wondered if a lighter stain would reduce blotching? I’d appreciate any feedback….

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#1 posted 07-05-2014 11:48 PM

I’m not sure, interesting question. Generally blotching is caused by stain. What type of wood? I would suggest some controlled experimentation on scraps.

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#2 posted 07-06-2014 12:06 AM

Good question yourself….I edited my OP to specify run of the mill pine.

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#3 posted 07-06-2014 12:44 AM

Knotscott – I generally think of a conditioner as a step before staining in order to control blotching on subsequent stain coats. Diluted de-waxed shellac is the common conditioner. It seals the wood- creating a more consistent surface so the stain will absorb in the wood evenly. Maybe I’m not understanding but I don’t think using light stain as a conditioner will be very effective in preventing blotching.

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#4 posted 07-06-2014 01:50 AM

As others have said, that is an interesting idea. I think that you might be able to use light coloured stain as a conditioner, though I’m not sure that I see much benefit in doing so. You could use Danish oil, or even mineral spirits to achieve the same effect. Most pre-stain conditioners are based on oil or mineral spirits. Of course, this doesn’t apply if you’re talking about a waterborne stain. In that case, I’d try something like Charles Neil’s blotch control A thin coat of dewaxed shellac would work well in any case. If you want to use the light coloured stain, I’d try it on some scrap pine first to get an idea of what the results will be like.

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#5 posted 07-06-2014 02:27 AM

layering of finishes always works best, adding depth and patina. i think a light stain would do the trick.

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#6 posted 07-06-2014 04:36 AM

Doesn’t Minwax have someting of a stain flavour called “Natural” ??

Zinzer Bullseye Sanding sealer is just shellac in a can. The sanding sealer is clear, or you can get the amber one sitting beside it.

BTW, i tried that Natural Stain colour of today…....let you know later how it turns out . (hint: Just did a rehab of some handsaws today)

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#7 posted 07-06-2014 11:38 AM

Thanks for the replies. It’s gonna be a week or so before I try anything, but I’ll try to remember to post again with an update and explanation of what I tried.

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#8 posted 07-06-2014 03:17 PM

A brief plug for Charles Neil’s pre stain conditioner. This is great stuff. Check his website out:
http://www.cn-woodworking.com/cn-pre-color-conditioner/
Once you use this you will not use anything else.
Good Luck, John

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#9 posted 07-06-2014 03:19 PM

I was reading about Charles’ conditioning concoction. Cost and shipping time might lead me to some experimenting with diluted PVA glue….

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