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06-28-2014 07:23 PM

Topic tags/keywords: table saw

I am working on upgrading a few of my tools, namely my band saw and table saw. I have more or less settled on the Laguna 14 12 BS. I have been leaning toward the Ridgid 4512 TS but am having trouble deciding between it and the Laguna Fusion. The selling point for me on the Ridgid is basically the price. I currently have a Ryobi BT3100 so both are substantial upgrades. The selling point(s) on the Laguna are the 36” rip capacity as opposed to the 30” on the Ridgid, the cast iron and the cabinet mounted trunions compared to the steel and table mounted trunions on the Ridgid. I know there is a very wide range of opinions on saws. I am not going to spend the money on a SS for several reasons and I do not have 220V capability and probably won’t for 4+ years if ever. My shop is set up in our 2 car garage so space is limited. I have also looked at the Grizzly hybrid but it doesn’t really have much of any benefit over the Ridgid as far as I can tell. Does anyone have any input that would help me decide? Thanks!

Nate

-- Nate, Las Vegas, http://nateswoodshop.com


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#1 posted 06-28-2014 07:45 PM

“I have also looked at the Grizzly hybrid but it doesn’t really have much of any benefit over the Ridgid as far as I can tell. Does anyone have any input that would help me decide?”

The Grizzly has solid cast iron wings vs stamped steel, has a better fence, and a full enclosure that the R4512 doesn’t have. I believe it also has a 2hp motor. Unfortunately, it’s also been plagued by the same alignment issues that the R4512 has had….it affects some of the saws, but not all….basically, the alignment goes out of whack when the blade height is changed. Even though it’s supposedly been fixed, I still hear some stories about both having the problem.

Have you considered the GI 50-200R, Steel City 35950, Baleigh version of the Fusion, or the Jet Proshop?

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#2 posted 06-28-2014 07:52 PM

I have looked at the Jet and SC saws. The deal breaker for me on those is the 30” max rip. I had not seen the GI or the Baleigh. The GI has the same 30” max rip and the Baleigh seems to be 200-300 more than the Laguna. I have read about the alignment issues with the Grizzly as well and that is one reason I started to move away from it and towards the Ridgid. I know I can upgrade the fence on the Ridgid and even though the wings are steel, they seem to be pretty decent.

-- Nate, Las Vegas, http://nateswoodshop.com

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#3 posted 06-28-2014 10:46 PM

Those saws are all left tilt, so you can very easily slide the front rail to the right to gain somewhere near 10” more rip capacity on the right side.

I’m confused why you’d move away from the G0715P towards the R4512 that has the same exact issues….possibly even a higher percentage of defective units?

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#4 posted 06-28-2014 10:54 PM

I have read about being able to slide the rail to the right and that would be a good work around, just not as convenient as a standard 36” rip with no adjustments needed.
The reasons I am moving towards the 4512 is because it costs about half the price for one and if it does have alignment issues, I can easily return it an get another one. I live in Las Vegas and have VERY limited access to woodworking tools. There is only one shop within 100 miles and they pretty much only sell Powermatic, Saw Stop and Jet. I guess my thinking is (though it may be flawed) is if I am going to spend $800+ on the Grizzly saw, I might as well spend another couple hundred for quite a few more features. I can get the 4512 for about $450 new using a HF coupon at a local HD.

-- Nate, Las Vegas, http://nateswoodshop.com

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#5 posted 06-28-2014 11:18 PM

A while ago I was looking at that Rigid but the alignment thing held me back. There’s no way I would buy that saw, even at $450. The hassle simply isn’t worth it, and packing that thing up and exchanging it for another one would be a chore, plus there’s no guarantee you’d get a good 2nd one. Would you exchange it for a third? A fourth?

Someone in this thread even said Rigid isn't making that saw any more. I’ve never read that anywhere else, who knows if that’s true. Regardless, too many people had that alignment problem for me to want to bother with it.

If you’re going to upgrade to a good saw, get a good saw even if you have to save for a while. Otherwise you will regret it. There is nothing worse than tinkering non-stop for straight cuts with a poorly made table saw. Well, cutting off your hand would be worse. Aside from blood there is nothing worse. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve said to myself – wish I got the better-made version of X tool – and wasted my money. I’m always looking for bargains, you can find me at Harbor Freight 2-3 times a month, but sometimes there is no way around the crap other than buying well-made, non-crap. Or craigslist if you know what you’re doing.

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#6 posted 06-28-2014 11:34 PM

ColonelTravis:
I appreciate the feedback! I am definitely of the mindset of buying good quality tools. I have bought a few from HF that lasted less time than it took for me to drive there and back to buy them. I do have the HF 2hp dust collector with a Wynn filter that I think works great but I would not trust much of anything from HF for precision work. What would your recommendation(s) be? As I stated in my original post, I am limited to 110v. I am in the military and live on base so there is no way that I will be altering anything to run a 220v line. =) I have 4 years left (unless I get forced out due to budget cuts), so I am looking for something that will serve me well for at least the next 4 years and hopefully much longer. I would rather spend $1000 on a saw now than $450 and who knows how much in a few years to replace it. I guess what really has me struggling is everything I read seems to say to go ‘cheap’ like the Ridgid or go for a full cabinet saw. Seems like most comments among many forums state that the sub cabinet saws or hybrid saws aren’t worth the premium you pay for them them. So with that, I am wondering if it is worth buying one of the sub cabinet saws in the 800-1200 range or if it would be better to go with something like the Ridgid and then get a full cabinet saw in 4-5 years. Hopefully my thought process makes a little sense.

-- Nate, Las Vegas, http://nateswoodshop.com

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#7 posted 06-29-2014 12:05 AM

How about a good used contractor saw to use until you’re out of the military? No significant financial downside to that proposition…

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#8 posted 06-29-2014 12:06 AM

dbl post….

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#9 posted 06-29-2014 12:18 AM

Knotscott:
I have kept my eye on CL for a used one but they seem to go for a premium around here. For example there have been a few 4512’s on CL here that are going for between $420-$500 and at that price point I might as well buy new I think.

-- Nate, Las Vegas, http://nateswoodshop.com

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#10 posted 06-29-2014 12:19 AM

First, thanks for serving. Yeah, I can see you running into problems trying to sneak in a new circuit.

There are many TS experts here, including knotscott who also knows more about blades than I could ever dream of knowing. He was a huge help for me in that area. When you get to that point, check out his tutorial and then some blade recommendations he updates regularly.

I don’t know where you are but good ol’ American table saws pop up on craigslist all the time. Like knotscott said, I would check around for a good used one. Sears replaced its hybrid maybe 3-4 years ago, and I’ve read decent things about that but unless they changed things, the fence isn’t as good and the top is granite, not cast iron, plus it’s not gonna be easy (or impossible) to cut thick lumber, if you need to do that sort of thing. If you can find a used Sears whatever-they-were….

hold on, I need to look that model, I have no idea what it is off the top of my head….

A Craftsman 22124. For $400-$500 that would be a nice one.

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#11 posted 06-29-2014 01:16 AM

I contacted one of the guys on CL that is selling a ‘new’ 4512 and offered $320. He countered with $350. Does that seem like it is worth the alignment ‘risk’?

-- Nate, Las Vegas, http://nateswoodshop.com

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#12 posted 06-29-2014 02:23 AM

There is also this Delta that is around where my brother lives. He would be able to pick up and drive it part way to Vegas. Looks like it might be a good way to go….
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/tls/4542730758.html

-- Nate, Las Vegas, http://nateswoodshop.com

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#13 posted 06-29-2014 10:44 AM

That Delta looks nice, in good shape too. I’d avoid a used r4512 if I were you. The blade alignment issue would be my concern, as well as a split fence rail. Even new, remember ridgid offers a lifetime “service agreement”, this is not a lifetime warranty. For batteries etc it’s great but I’d hate to have to pay shipping on a table saw repair. Just my 2 cents. You can’t go wrong listening to knotscott when it comes to table saws.

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#14 posted 06-29-2014 01:05 PM


I contacted one of the guys on CL that is selling a new 4512 and offered $320. He countered with $350. Does that seem like it is worth the alignment risk ?

- Nates02gt

If it’s got the alignment issue, I wouldn’t give more than $100 for it. If it’s good, and checks out, it could be worth $325…maybe $350 if you love it.

That Delta 36-750 hybrid looks new….it’d be a sweet deal at ~ $700-$750.

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#15 posted 06-29-2014 02:25 PM

Wasn’t there someone that posted a fix for the R4512 alignment issue here a bit ago?

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