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Blackie_

4531 posts in 1976 days


06-21-2014 05:59 PM

I was requested from a close friend needing an URN built for his father-in-law, and so I told him I’d be honored too make one for him, I asked him some typical questions the size for the container he gave me the measurements, he gave me free rain on wood of choice so I chose Sipo, my next question was did he want a cross on the box and he said that would be a great touch, so I proceeded with the build and it came out beautiful once I sent the pictures to him he then sent pictures over to his mother-in-law in which she reminded him that he was native American indian he had forgot that his father-in-law was native American (Indian) thus the cross was a great concern.

The box is made out of sipo with an 1/8” inlay x 3/8” wide maple cross on the top and a screwed on bottom so my question and help needing, is there any possible way or any ideas of how I can rectify this problem. Pictures below, My thought was to remove the screwed on bottom, put the finished box back up on the band saw and shave off that top of the lid 1/8” re sand, round edges and refinish but I really don’t want to mess up such a nice box, my other option is to hand it to them the way it is if they reject it I put it on the shelf in hopes to sale it and build another but since it’s a gift to him not charging I didn’t want to do that either thus my dilemma.

-- Randy - If I'm not on LJ's then I'm making Saw Dust. Please feel free to visit my store location at http://www.facebook.com/randy.blackstock.custom.wood.designs


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woodshaver (Tony)

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#1 posted 06-21-2014 06:08 PM

Randy,
How about cutting off the lid or if possible removing the lid and making a new one.
Or inlay more maple to make a different design pattern.

-- Tony C UAW, St Augustine FL, My high school shop teacher said "You can do it"... Now I can't stop!

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Blackie_

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#2 posted 06-21-2014 06:12 PM

Tony sorry I had to reedit my original post, there is no lid, only a top as it’s a concealed box no lid only a top, if I cut the top completely off then that’s going to leave a cut mark once I reglue the top back on.

-- Randy - If I'm not on LJ's then I'm making Saw Dust. Please feel free to visit my store location at http://www.facebook.com/randy.blackstock.custom.wood.designs

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Bill White

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#3 posted 06-21-2014 06:13 PM

Friend approved. Mother-in-law did not. Who’s paying?
Bill

-- bill@magraphics.us

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Blackie_

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#4 posted 06-21-2014 06:14 PM

So Bill if I understand what you are saying, hand the box over and let friend worry about how to fix the problem?

Perhaps I could glue another slab across the top covering up the cross, but that would still leave the maple showing on the top and bottom edges under the covering piece.

-- Randy - If I'm not on LJ's then I'm making Saw Dust. Please feel free to visit my store location at http://www.facebook.com/randy.blackstock.custom.wood.designs

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woodshaver (Tony)

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#5 posted 06-21-2014 06:28 PM

Maybe, Cut the edge in about 1/2” and then frame it with contrasting wood or same wood, then glue on a slab, this will hide the edge showing the maple.
Or do nothing and see what happens.

-- Tony C UAW, St Augustine FL, My high school shop teacher said "You can do it"... Now I can't stop!

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longgone

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#6 posted 06-21-2014 06:52 PM

I would just sand the top and glue another piece of wood on top of it with rounded corners that would be smaller all the way around by the thickness of the box sides. This would give it a double-roundover look and the small bits of maple that would show on two sides would just be an accent with no one knowing that a cross is covered.

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#7 posted 06-21-2014 06:57 PM

Wow…tough one. Off the top of my head and it may sound stupid but here’s my suggestion…If the top isn’t removable, then apply (with double stick tape) a rectangular shaped template across the top of the assembled box … Make the size of the rectangle wide enough to span the cross…. Take a router and route out the cross with a top bearing pattern bit….. Cut and glue a rectangular piece of maple to fit the recess created with the router and template…... A very crude drawing is below…... The center section represents the rectangular shape routed out and replaced with maple.

-- Measure "at least" twice and cut once

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Blackie_

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#8 posted 06-21-2014 07:18 PM

Yes to both options Greg and Kdc68, I like them both, I knew someone had some options, and neither of the methods would take much work, with KDC68’s option, instead of using a pattern bit, I’d just adjust the 1/8” depth on my router table, find the measurement starting on one side of the cross and adjust the router table fence accordingly then just use an 1/2” up spiral bit, they same method I used in making the inlay to began with moving the fence a little at a time until I’ve reached the other side.

Greg’s method would be the quickest and still get a great outcome, I’m going to go with Greg’s option, that’s the quickest and easiest way out, Thanks Greg and everyone else for the great ideas, I knew I could count on you all.

-- Randy - If I'm not on LJ's then I'm making Saw Dust. Please feel free to visit my store location at http://www.facebook.com/randy.blackstock.custom.wood.designs

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leafherder

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#9 posted 06-21-2014 07:28 PM

Have you tried a quick Google search for Native American Symbols? Depending on the Tribe there might be a simple geometrical symbol or pattern that incorporates your existing cross.

Please post before and after photos of whatever you decide.

-- Leafherder

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kdc68

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#10 posted 06-21-2014 07:31 PM

Well best of luck removing or covering up the cross. You certainly are a good friend going through this effort to make it right

-- Measure "at least" twice and cut once

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Blackie_

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#11 posted 06-21-2014 07:33 PM

Leafherder, thanks too for your input, I googled symbols and they are very complex also every symbol has a certain meaning so care would have to be taken in that matter as well.

-- Randy - If I'm not on LJ's then I'm making Saw Dust. Please feel free to visit my store location at http://www.facebook.com/randy.blackstock.custom.wood.designs

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NoThanks

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#12 posted 06-21-2014 07:41 PM

Re-rout a new design into the top. Maybe not this design, (be creative) but as an example:

-- Because I'm gone, that's why!

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Blackie_

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#13 posted 06-21-2014 07:46 PM

Yep Iwud4u another great idea.

-- Randy - If I'm not on LJ's then I'm making Saw Dust. Please feel free to visit my store location at http://www.facebook.com/randy.blackstock.custom.wood.designs

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DocSavage45

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#14 posted 06-21-2014 08:29 PM

What tribe? What do they relate to for passing on? Feather pattern seems possible? Using the previous fixes.

-- Cau Haus Designs, Thomas J. Tieffenbacher

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Blackie_

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#15 posted 06-21-2014 09:10 PM

Their tribe is Cherokee, Tom, never doing a feather before I think it would be above my skills.

-- Randy - If I'm not on LJ's then I'm making Saw Dust. Please feel free to visit my store location at http://www.facebook.com/randy.blackstock.custom.wood.designs

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