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Blackie_

4530 posts in 1972 days


06-02-2014 09:35 PM

For those of you that commented and are following my most recent project posting A better Apron that was put on by way of video from woodsmith, using dowels along with magnets to secure the apron cord from the back instead of tying is a flop, failure, doesn’t work worth beans, every time you stretch to reach, bend over, sand, pretty much any type of movement the magnets come undone, thus I went back to the drawing board and reinvented the wheel, what I did was remove the dowels and magnets from the picture completely and replaced one end with a key ring and the other with an old HF bungee cord clip that I had laying around, this my friends is the solution and works much better then the magnets and just as quick to connect and disconnect.

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neverenougftackle

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#1 posted 06-02-2014 11:36 PM

Hello Blackie, I have never made this rig, as I tie a square knot onto a couple of cords onto the aprons cords, long enough on each side to reach the front ,and tie the bow there,,,,,,BUT the larger size of the rare earth magnets I bought, came and are stored side to side. They are so powerful that in order to pull them apart, I have to slide the top one with my thumb, over the other, in order to separate. Pulling them directly apart one from the other would take at a minimum, a couple of pliers.

These rare earth magnets are an interesting read, or there was an extensive article in Poplar Mechanics a year or so ago. They have all kinds of highly technical uses, and are sought after world wide. But also remember this, that there is nothing invented that someone can not find a way to make it… cheaper,,,,in both senses of that word.

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Blackie_

4530 posts in 1972 days


#2 posted 06-02-2014 11:57 PM

I never thought about the power of the magnets, stands to reason the ones I used may not have been powerful enough another failure from HF I guess, I may revisit this, mind if I ask where you bought your magnets at neverenoughftackle? I also like your idea of longer cords to tie in front, I use the same method with carpenter nail pouches, I twist them around the waste so that the pouches are on my back side and the cords are in front I make the ties then twist the pouch back around.

-- Randy - If I'm not on LJ's then I'm making Saw Dust. Please feel free to visit my store location at http://www.facebook.com/randy.blackstock.custom.wood.designs

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neverenougftackle

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#3 posted 06-03-2014 03:53 AM

I bought my last set from Rocklers, they had a sale. I realize that You don’t always get what you think that you paid for, so be aware the good one are not cheep. interesting what you said about HF, most of their products are made in China, and China has the overwhelming world supply of the raw material that these magnets are made from…...and they are well aware of that fact. As well as the need for this materal from what the inventors are coming up with, to use it for.

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Roger

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#4 posted 06-03-2014 12:57 PM

Thnx for the update Randy. Glad you posted this cuz I was gonna give the magnets a try. Sounds like this solution may be better.

-- Roger from KY. Work/Play/Travel Safe. Keep your dust collector fed. Kentuk55@yahoo.com

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neverenougftackle

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#5 posted 06-03-2014 05:45 PM

Hey Man, Got a online notice from an excellant sale of these over at Peachtree. $20.00. Know from experience (BELOW) that these, although not very big, are the good ones.

In trying to teach my wife to back up a pontoon trailer from the parking lot, on down onto the ramp, to the water, using the side mirrors only. I needed a way for the wife to see what was happening right now (!!!) at the very back end of our pontoon’s trailer. Because in backing, all of the adjustment in that steering wheel, are made according to what the way the a** end of that trailer is trying to go. All adjustments right and left have to be made quick !! So I took a couple of these Peachtree 1/2” magnets, and epoxied them to the bottom of a pair of 3” L x 2” w x 1 1/2” D. Red Ceder blocks. Then cut another pair the exact same size, and using two stainless 2 1/2” 8’s screws per, and screwed the two blocks onto the two companion ones with the magnets. Then drilled a 7/16” hole down the center threw the narrow side between the two. Slid a dowel between the blocks, and now have a way to tighten those dowels in that drilled channel down, and slide back and forth for up the side viewing adjustments. Now with at the other ends of those two dowels, I glued onto each one’s end, a section of one of these day glow green foam tubes, where I cut off a couple of 3” sections and glued them to the dowels tips. This is the foam sticks that kids play around with in the water.

Set these blocks (magnets side down) down onto the rectangle steel extensions, at the very rear, light bracket supports. At the back of that trailer where she now has a excellent eyed guide to which way that trailer is trying to go., Now for me to remove those blocks, I have to slide them off..

http://www.ptreeusa.com/edirect_060314.htm

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#6 posted 06-04-2014 07:33 AM

I have just about every size of Rare Earth Magnets there is. Bought from Lee Valley.

I use them to attach Dedicated Wrenches, Chucks, Allen Keys Etc to their Matching Machine. (Table Saw, Drill Press, Band Saw and so on.)

If you put one of the Larger ones on each side of your Hand They’re there to stay until you take them off.

Using a “CUP” to put the Magnet in will Double the Strength of the Magnet according to LV.

Maybe I have something on here already in Their File. Hang on.

Boy! Do I Ever! This is Some of it. Size, Strength, Prices. The Strength Chart is the weight of a Block Of Steel they will lift.

Didn’t bother with Cups and other “Stuff”. They have a LOT of other info on their Site about these things.

Enough For Now 2 Buddies? ....LOL.

OKAY! OKAY! You Talked me into it. This is THE LINK To Their Lead in Page On ALL “Magnet Stuff”

FREAKIN’ Link Thing Keeps Changing. If it take you to the “Index Page” just click on “Magnets”.

May I go To BED Now? It’s only 3:50 A.M. (The Tooth Fairy Might Be Dropping Around Shortly, Or Longley!)

Rick

-- Hope Everyone Is Doing Well! .... Best Regards: Rick

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neverenougftackle

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#7 posted 06-04-2014 04:55 PM

Rick thanks for that, they wrote an intresting piece. Never knew or would have though about the “cup” addition.

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#8 posted 06-05-2014 03:24 AM

My Pleasure! I thought I had you as a “Buddy”. Just Checked. “Nope”. So I just now added you. If you’d prefer Not. Let me know and I’ll Remove it.

Regards: Rick

PS: Thank YOU for Posting a “Thank You”. I appreciate that Gesture!

EDIT: “Never Enough Tackle” I just Finished Re-Doing One Of My Tackle Boxes & New Ceiling Hangers For My SPARE Rods & Reels.

-- Hope Everyone Is Doing Well! .... Best Regards: Rick

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Blackie_

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#9 posted 06-06-2014 02:14 PM

Thanks for all the info it never downed on me that it was the magnets, though what I came up with as the fix clasp and ring they are working great and just as fast as sticking the magnets together plus I know they will never come undone, I will take in consideration magnets for future projects.

-- Randy - If I'm not on LJ's then I'm making Saw Dust. Please feel free to visit my store location at http://www.facebook.com/randy.blackstock.custom.wood.designs

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Ripthorn

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#10 posted 06-06-2014 02:31 PM

I bought a package of the HF RE magnets a couple years ago and they are really great for the size. Bough another package for the wife a few months ago, and they made them significantly thinner for the same price, thus lower power. I have used them on all sorts of things and am very fond of them. Like you already said, the issue was the strength of the magnet, not the idea.

As far as an apron, my wife made me one for Christmas that has the plastic clasps on the side, so it is very easy to undo. Works awesome!

-- Brian T. - Exact science is not an exact science

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neverenougftackle

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#11 posted 06-06-2014 04:27 PM

I have to constantly remind myself when I intend to head over to HF that I am usually buying something for the price, and not necessary for the quality. example, I would be very much aware of their 10” carbide high count teeth blades. After looking one day looking over the brazing quality of where they fastened all of those teeth.If one of those ever should fly loos at that blades tip speed,,,,Burrrrrr !!!!

Hi Rick,
Ya know I just don’t have so many friends as I can arbitrary toss over the side, one or two. So keep me there on that list, and Rick I thank you for the privilage and your gesture.

I don’t do much shopping there at Lee I guess because of the pricing, as to compare to just how much time I actually spend in my woodworking. Although a former acquaincence tried his best, along with his very good reasoning why, for me to buy their blade sharpening jig. Along with his discussion on an assurance of Lee Valley’s quality. Repeating the idea several times, That you get no more than what you pay for. I have to admit I like the way, as you transposed their article above, that they explain their cost as to when they picked out, and in doing so in testing, this particular Rare Earth Magnets that they sell.

Don’t cha’ just love all of them shinny, sitting there eager to be use, lures. All there in their compartments waiting for their turn. And I got’s to ask, how can just one tackle box contain all of them possibilities ?,,,,cant be done !!! As well as if this one reel, that has this pound test of line and is made for this kind of situation,,,what if I run into this other scenario,,,why when that oppertinuity arises I will need this other kind of rod and reel,,,and maybe if I run into this other situation,, what then ? It’s not as though there is a sporting goods store parked aways out here in the middle of all of this water,,,,Man looking around,,,Im’ah going to need a bigger boat too !!!!!

then there this new kind’ah depth finder, trouling motor, GPS, satilite radio, storage organizer, trailer light’s up grade, trailer itself up grade, my pick-up, pick-up camper, camping gear, then there’s,,,,,,,,

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