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Forum topic by ShaneA posted 05-31-2014 02:26 AM 2027 views 0 times favorited 23 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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ShaneA

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05-31-2014 02:26 AM

Topic tags/keywords: dust collection delta ap 400 shop fow w1823 jet dc 1100vx-zk grizzly g0703 p single stage dust coller two stage dust collector

So, my several year old Delta AP400 has been acting up for a while. Seems like half the time I switch it on, the motor just hums, and doesn’t “turn over” in full suction mode. Since I’m really not Mr Mechanical Fix It Guy, I am not sure what sort problem it is. I know it has a 30 micron filter bag, and 1 HP motor. Think I paid about $100 for it at Lowes on close out, so there will be no crying if she is dead.

I do not have 220 power in my single car garage shop. Probably not looking to add it. I only use one machine at a time and just connect them w/short runs of flex hose.

I would like a model with the filter canister, that gets me into the smaller micron collection. I see the HF unit is a very popular LJ choice. However, when I start to add up all the costs. I see it being near $400, and several hours of “tinkering” to get the Wynn filter and a two stage set up. So with limited shop time already, and what could be a real world cost of about $550 given a value for my time sourcing the parts and building it…is the value really there?

I am looking also at the Jet 1 1/2 hp, with 2 micron canister, and the vortex technology. $594 to the door, 5 yr warranty, no tinkering. Somewhat of a 2 stage system, small footprint.

The other options would either be a Shop Fox or Grizzly 1 1/2 hp, 2 stage system, w/ remote control, canister filters, and not too big of a footprint. The kicker is the $860ish bucks to the door. But seems to be the most complete system and plug and play ready.

Since I am not made of money and don’t get a lot of shop time, I see some value in all options. I really don’t want to spend $860 either. However, I know I may only have to cry once in that scenario. The easy way seems to be the Jet, I get no tinker time, less than $600, but it will still be somewhat of a single stage set up. I tend to over analize tool purchases.

Any words of experience on the Jet, Shop Fox/Grizzly units? I have read and looked at a lot of posts on the HF. I know it is loved. Is the 2 stage a must have? Fix the Delta?

Thanks for any help.


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widdle

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#1 posted 05-31-2014 02:47 AM

A couple years ago when i started looking at getting a dust collector, i read all the hf stuff..I stopped in there twice to push it around and just couldn’t pull the trigger, just to wiggly and not a fan of hf…I bought the 2hp grizzly.been happy with it seems like a heavier gauge metal to me..Gone through mabye 20 bags..No problems..Knock on wood..

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bigblockyeti

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#2 posted 05-31-2014 03:39 AM

I worked in a recycling facility and we had two of the 1 1/2hp JET dust collectors connected to each of our flake color sorters and they each ran for 16hrs./day 5 days a week for three years. The stock bags (obviously not the same as the cartridges you’re looking at) weren’t that great, but being emptied once a day and not being worn through by abrasive plastic dust was impressive. They never missed a beat.

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Fred Hargis

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#3 posted 05-31-2014 11:44 AM

Having a 2 stage setup is nice, emptying those bags is a real pain (I guess you know that) and the 2 stage makes it a little easier. But you don’t really need it, and if you do build a thein separator. There are other reasons to go with the Jet or one of the options (not knocking the HF, just saying). They will have an 11”impeller (10” on the HF) and the vortex insert won’t reduce the air flow (the Thein will, at least by some small amount). I’d say your plan has a lot of merit and few downsides.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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NiteWalker

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#4 posted 05-31-2014 12:47 PM

The best long term answer is to get the two-stage, fix the delta and sell it; or sell the delta as-is.
I’d cry once in this case.

-- He who dies with the most tools... dies with the emptiest wallet.

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kdc68

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#5 posted 05-31-2014 01:09 PM

Sounds like your shop time is like mine….I have a HF with a Wynn cartridge filter, Thien Baffle, and trash can separator. I’m very happy with my set up.

Take a look and it may give you some ideas. Have questions let me know. Also I sent you in a private message a 20 % coupon for HF that unfortunately expires today. But if you sign up on their site you will receive coupons all the time.

Click for details

-- Measure "at least" twice and cut once

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BoardSMITH

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#6 posted 05-31-2014 01:19 PM

My 2 pennies worth – Each time I tried to go cheap, that is save some money, I usually got bit and had to upgrade down the road. I have had 5 dust collectors and had I known what I would end up with, I would have started there a long time ago and saved all that wasted money. In short, get much more than what you need now, you will need it in the future.

I can say for sure, the Grizzly G1030 I had was terrific for my use at that time. It is still available and a decent price. Stick a Thein seperator on the line, forget the canister filters, and you have a good garage DC at an affordable price.

-- David www.TheBoardSMITH.com

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gfadvm

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#7 posted 05-31-2014 01:50 PM

http://www.grizzly.com/products/1HP-Canister-Dust-Collector/G0583Z

I have had this unit for years of trouble free service. $4oo to your door.

I would add the really quick and simple chip separator like I made (see my blog/project- can’t remember which)

-- " I'll try to be nicer, if you'll try to be smarter" gfadvm

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Paul

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#8 posted 05-31-2014 01:59 PM

Gfadvm,

The 1hp machine you have and love is no doubt fine. Grizzly is offering it’s bigger brother essentially the same machine just a 2hp unit at the same price but also includes a 30gallon chip separator top for free. I would recommend the 2hp unit.

Paul

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ShaneA

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#9 posted 05-31-2014 02:36 PM

Thanks for the feedback guys. I probably just need to get to the bottom line of how much money I want/have to spend. I always tend to over analize tool purchases. I am sure with all my options I will get something that sucks at an adequate level. The lower cost options speak to the miser in me. But the two stage stuff speaks to the laziness in me….oh the humanity.

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gfadvm

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#10 posted 05-31-2014 11:59 PM

Paul, Bigger is almost always better. 2HP with canister and chip separator for $400?

-- " I'll try to be nicer, if you'll try to be smarter" gfadvm

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Paul

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#11 posted 06-01-2014 12:47 AM

http://www.grizzly.com/products/2-HP-Dust-Collector-with-Aluminum-Impeller-Polar-Bear-Series/G1029Z2P

The 2hp $404 delivered with,

W1049 2 Stage Cyclone Separator FREE with purchase of G1029Z2P

Paul

EDIT: Nevermind, just remembered the OP didn’t want to run 220. Having 220 it’s one of those things I almost never look for anymore.

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gfadvm

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#12 posted 06-01-2014 01:03 AM

Paul, That unit has a top bag rather than a canister and the “2 stage cyclone separator” is on of those plastic trash can lid thingys. The OP mentioned canister as a requirement.

-- " I'll try to be nicer, if you'll try to be smarter" gfadvm

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Paul

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#13 posted 06-01-2014 01:13 AM

Yeah, I was wrong on all fronts. It was a machine I was looking at when I got my HF DC. Knew it was $400 delivered, didn’t due myself or anyone a favor with my last 2 posts. Please ignore.

Paul

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ShaneA

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#14 posted 06-01-2014 01:19 AM

Yep, don’t see 220 as a viable option at this point.

After doing more research, there doesn’t seem to be as many reviews or write ups on the Grizzly G0703P or the Shop Fox W1823. What little I have read, people who don’t have those models seem to question the strength of suction, between 750 to 800cfm. While those few reviews of people who have them say they suck fine. The Jet Vortex with 1 1/2 hp is rated at 1100cfm. Is that a big deal? I gather the addition of the cyclone reduces cfm?

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gfadvm

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#15 posted 06-01-2014 01:56 AM

Shane, Not sure what Model# my Grizz is but it is the 110 Volt canister model and I don’t feel that it is underpowered in terms of air flow. I have clogged a 4” line when planning wet/green lumber (really sticky shavings). My shop made chip separator did not decrease air flow any that I could perceive and was one of my better additions as it is REALLY quick and simple to empty (as opposed to the plastic bag).

Paul, No harm, no foul! Carry on…...

-- " I'll try to be nicer, if you'll try to be smarter" gfadvm

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