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Forum topic by HorizontalMike posted 05-27-2014 05:00 PM 1625 views 0 times favorited 37 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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HorizontalMike

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05-27-2014 05:00 PM

Topic tags/keywords: ebay paypal slime balls seller buyer

OK, most of my eBay transactions have been completed without any problems/issues. I have collected many handplanes through eBay’s market place. HOWEVER,...

Today I finally had an issue pop up. I won/bought a handplane and immediately paid the seller via PayPal, the total amount of the bid plus the stated shipping of $5.95 (low but that is what was posted and I adjusted my bid accordingly during the auction). Now to the “Slime Balls” portion of this transaction…

I get an email from the seller. I didn’t think much about it and engaged in a couple of short Q&As about the plane. This seller’s signature line looked like this:

”...Dr. Richard xxxxxxxxxx, Th.D., Litt.D
Cassandra xxxxxxxxx, Mission Team Co-ordinator
Northside Christian Church: www.ncclkld.com
Jamaica Bible Seminary: www.jbseminary.com
Christian Billboards Ministry on Facebook: The Christian Churches of Polk County
T.V. ad campaign P.U.P. www.thereisawayforme.com…”

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On the third email I get from this guy, I get the following:
Mike, Postage was 19.52 regular parcel post. You paid 5.95 guestimated. Balance 13.57 paypal to xxxxxxxxxx@aol.com Sent it in good faith this morning about 1/2 hour ago. Thanks, RG

NOW I UNDERSTAND why this guy used my PayPal address to contact me, and I ALSO NOW UNDERSTAND why this guy has such a long signature line and what that signature line is trying to do to me, the buyer:
  • This guy has ~900 eBay transactions posted
  • Contacting eBay buyers outside of eBay is a violation of eBay Terms & Restrictions
  • This guy’s long diatribe of Religious educational accomplishments and affiliations is SUPPOSED TO guilt me into honoring his slime balls request for more $$$

MY CONCERNS & QUESTIONS:
Shouldn’t there be some way to hide my actual PayPal email address from any/all sellers? I mean shoot, on eBay your identity is hidden, but eBay knows how to contact you. Now as soon as you use eBay’s system of payment “PayPal” that contact information is openly given to the seller. We all know that eBay and PayPal are just one and the same entity, so why the disconnect?

Oh, and one last thing… This guy is NOT Nigerian, but in Florida USA. >8-/

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."


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b2rtch

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#1 posted 05-27-2014 05:08 PM

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Blackie_

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#2 posted 05-27-2014 05:19 PM

Mike, what do you mean both are one and the same? I think they are apart from each other, I use paypal all the time but only with ETSY on my sells.

-- Randy - If I'm not on LJ's then I'm making Saw Dust. Please feel free to visit my store location at http://www.facebook.com/randy.blackstock.custom.wood.designs

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HorizontalMike

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#3 posted 05-27-2014 05:25 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PayPal
On October 3, 2002, PayPal became a wholly owned subsidiary of eBay.[5] Its corporate headquarters are in San Jose, California,[2] United States at eBay’s North First Street satellite office campus. The company also has significant operations in Omaha, Scottsdale, Charlotte, Boston, Baltimore and Austin in the United States; Chennai and Bangalore in India; Dublin and Dundalk in Ireland; Kleinmachnow in Germany; and Tel Aviv in Israel. Since July 2007, PayPal has operated across the European Union as a Luxembourg-based bank.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#4 posted 05-27-2014 08:07 PM

I would send a message to him through eBay informing him that you have paid and will be awaiting your purchased items. Wait til the expected delivery date passes and file an official eBay complaint. You’ll at the very least get your money back. If you have to go that route, I’d also follow through with an official complaint that he contacted you outside of eBay to renegotiate the contracted price.

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HorizontalMike

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#5 posted 05-27-2014 08:32 PM

Exactly Zac!

I basically cut&pasted the guy’s personal email to me into the eBay response messaging window so that eBay would have a copy of his request for more $$$ in their records. In that message to him I laid it all out about eBays policy and such. Here on LJs I pretty much just wanted folks to know just how some eBay low-life operate, so folks can avoid such traps/tricks.

So now we wait.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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Blackie_

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#6 posted 05-27-2014 09:17 PM

Mike, have you ever used your print screen button? In the future when you win a bid take a snap shot of your computer screen using the print screen button then save it as a file, that way you will have evidence and or proof of the actual transaction.

-- Randy - If I'm not on LJ's then I'm making Saw Dust. Please feel free to visit my store location at http://www.facebook.com/randy.blackstock.custom.wood.designs

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#7 posted 05-27-2014 09:32 PM

I would send a message to him through eBay informing him that you have paid and will be awaiting your purchased items. Wait til the expected delivery date passes and file an official eBay complaint. You’ll at the very least get your money back. If you have to go that route, I’d also follow through with an official complaint that he contacted you outside of eBay to renegotiate the contracted price

If it were me, wrong or right I don’t know, but I would strongly consider filing a complaint even if I got the plane. This is far from being his first transaction so he should know shipping costs and also should know the rules outlined by Ebay. Agreed that the $5.95 shipping is wrong, but that wasn’t your error. You paid the amount you should have. For him trying to rectify it after the fact in the manner for which he did is BS.

Best of luck Mike

-- Measure "at least" twice and cut once

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kdc68

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#8 posted 05-27-2014 09:37 PM

+1 Blackie…
Or if you have Windows 7, you can use the Snipping Tool to capture an image and save it….like this

-- Measure "at least" twice and cut once

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Blackie_

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#9 posted 05-27-2014 10:35 PM

@ KDC68, you just taught me something I didn’t know I had, only I had to search snipping tool to find it, how else do open it?

In your signature line you mention Measure at least twice and cut once, that only works if you have the right measurement to begin with :) I know it just happened on a project I’m working on, I had been allowing for a 3/8” over lap on my boxes for each end on the miter cuts only the project I was working was a switch up and required 5/8” over laps I was in the habit for allowing 3/8” on each end doh!

-- Randy - If I'm not on LJ's then I'm making Saw Dust. Please feel free to visit my store location at http://www.facebook.com/randy.blackstock.custom.wood.designs

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HorizontalMike

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#10 posted 05-27-2014 10:45 PM

Randy,
I have the eBay emails copied to my normal email address, PLUS I copy images(print screen) of the handplane, in case this bag tries to sell it AGAIN at a later date.

Thanks for the input folks! Will consider filing complaint regardless… we’ll see.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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kdc68

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#11 posted 05-27-2014 10:53 PM

@ KDC68, you just taught me something I didn’t know I had, only I had to search snipping tool to find it, how else do open it?

This is what I do, once I capture an image I save in a folder in My Pictures. From there, you can open it, view it, and edit it like a photo. Or use it as an attachment as I did in post #8….. Hope that answers your question.

In your signature line you mention Measure at least twice and cut once, that only works if you have the right measurement to begin with :) I know it just happened on a project I’m working on, I had been allowing for a 3/8” over lap on my boxes for each end on the miter cuts only the project I was working was a switch up and required 5/8” over laps I was in the habit for allowing 3/8” on each end doh!

Yep, I can see myself doing that. Even measuring at least twice has no guarantees

-- Measure "at least" twice and cut once

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#12 posted 05-27-2014 11:05 PM

If he did what he SAID he did, the item “SHOULD BE” on it’s way to you.

On the third email I get from this guy, I get the following:
Mike, Postage was 19.52 regular parcel post. You paid 5.95 guestimated. Balance 13.57 paypal to xxxxxxxxxx@aol.com Sent it in good faith this morning about 1/2 hour ago. Thanks, RG”

So I’d say you’re done …. so long as you get the plane. I’ve dealt with Ebay for over 10 years, both selling and buying. Most times I just used a flat rate for shipping m(based on my best guesstimate of what the charges would be via USPS.) Sometimes I made a buck or two, but usually I was pretty close based on the weight. And SOMETIMES I lost my butt on the shipping, but I ALWAYS stuck to my word (and just ate the difference).

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HorizontalMike

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#13 posted 05-28-2014 12:04 AM

Yeah Joe, I hear you. I think you are correct in that the plane will show up eventually. What really chafes my ass is this guy’s overt attempt to use religion (whether or not he is religious) to openly try to guilt me into modifying my own behavior. I say this not only because of his multi-religious signature line, but the additional lines suggesting ”... in good faith…” and in another email:

”...Mike, I didn’t get a chance to examine it before I packaged it. I have it all bubble wrapped and taped and you’ll have to advise when you receive it. Planning to mail tomorrow morning. Postage is a good faith estimate. I’m mailing it none the less and if the post office has any surprises for me and you, I’ll let you know. Package weighs about 10#. RG…”

I have absolutely NO problem with folks being religious and keeping that religiousness to themselves. HOWEVER, I have a boatload of problems with folks attempting to use their religion to manipulate other peoples actions… Ugh!... For being the flaming Liberal that I am, I still strongly support the 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution if you get my drift… Let’s just hope this thing passes uneventfully and this guy crawls back into his hole without adding to my own stress levels…

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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Tim

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#14 posted 05-28-2014 12:17 AM

What did the listing look like? I don’t use ebay a lot but sometimes the listings say stuff about shipping just being an estimate, contact them for details. If he didn’t have that and has done 900+ transactions I agree he definitely had a decent idea how much shipping would be. Just a firm but polite, no this is what shipping you put on the item should be enough. Even if he did put disclaimers about the shipping he knew it wouldn’t be $5.95, so it’s reasonable to expect him to eat the difference.

And I agree about overusing the religion thing, but when he says something like sent it in good faith this morning, that’s not religious. It’s based on a legal term meaning basically that he’s doing his part of a transaction expecting you to do yours. It’s the same as phrase that’s used in a good faith estimate for a mortgage or negotiating in good faith. Neither is religious. The opposite is bad faith, and you could claim he was operating in bad faith by messing up the shipping quote and then trying to charge you for it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_faith

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paxorion

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#15 posted 05-28-2014 12:36 AM

Mike – Rough story on that end. My advice, don’t waste your time contacting that individual and just complain to ebay/Paypal. I’ve had a few duds before in the past and the worst outcome I’ve ever had is a 100% refund.

-- paxorion

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