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Forum topic by ColonelTravis posted 05-25-2014 09:17 PM 1469 views 0 times favorited 21 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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ColonelTravis

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05-25-2014 09:17 PM

Topic tags/keywords: dovetail saw lie-nielsen winsor

I’m looking for a DT saw, was intrigued by the Winsor Saw company out of Colorado. Then I read this in the Winsor FAQ:

Q: What is the difference between your saw and the Lie-Nielsen
A: I recently acquired a LN dovetail saw. My saw came with a loose handle, the blade had a crown in it, the teeth needed to be sharpened and the handle had a split. After fixing those things and tuning the saw I set out to dovetail some 3/4 cherry. The saw bound on the cut. Probably because of 1) not enough tooth set and; 2) the crowning blade. I also didn’t like the small handle. WinsorSaws have larger handle, deeper blade for cutting. Our blades are epoxy set into the handle to provide a custom snug fit so the blade does not rattle or come loose in the handle. We offer more slightly tooth set for easier and faster cutting in a wide range of woods.

I’ve never read anything other than L-N dovetail saws were impeccable.
I’m wondering if this says more about Winsor than L-N?


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#1 posted 05-25-2014 09:55 PM

It makes me suspicious of Winsor. A good company doesn’t need to rely upon badmouthing the competition to sell a product. Secondly, any saw as bad as the one described above would have been sent back for replacement by any normal customer.

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#2 posted 05-25-2014 11:28 PM

I have a LN dovetail saw as well as a tenon saw and carcass saw; all arrived in perfect shape. I have never had a problem with any of the LN tools I have purchased other than waiting for a tool to be made. I am confident nothing as described would have ever left the LN shop.

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#3 posted 05-25-2014 11:43 PM

I agree, I don’t think L-N would ship anything that bad out the door, and if they did of course they would offer a replacement. I’ve bought stuff from them, the workmanship is guaranteed for life.

I noticed the Winsor guy said he “acquired” a saw, didn’t say he bought it new. He may have picked it up in his back yard by accident after it had been thrown out of an airplane, who knows. I’ve read good stuff about Winsor saws but it rubs me the wrong way to put down a company with a reputation as fine as L-N’s.

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#4 posted 05-25-2014 11:44 PM

Notice it says “acquired”. They aren’t saying they bought it new from Lie Nielsen, but it’s just as shady. So I agree with everything JAAune said.

Edit: Hah, I see you saw that. I don’t know how long Lie Nielsen has been making saws specifically, but there definitely are used LN tools out there for purchase.

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#5 posted 05-26-2014 12:01 AM

Even though that’s a dodgy thing to post on their site, they do make some beautiful saws.

-- Richard, Hot Springs, Ar -- Galoot In Training

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#6 posted 05-26-2014 12:15 AM

I think the whole FAQ section stinks of advertising. There’s very little information on the whole page in general. The saws are nice but the verbiage used throughout the site needs to be altered. Too much pomp not enough substance. My guess is that while he got a LN that was beat on. Why would a new owner of a $200 saw ship it out to have it repaired? Id send it back and demand a refund or a new saw, not have it fixed.

-- "there aren’t many hand tools as awe-inspiring as the #8 jointer. I mean, it just reeks of cast iron heft and hubris" - Smitty

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Ray

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#7 posted 05-26-2014 02:33 AM

I saw this text quite some time ago and based on my experience with a variety of LN tools, my first thought was the same as many voiced here- this was not a new saw and Winsor lost me as a potential customer forever.

-- Creating less fire wood every day

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#8 posted 05-26-2014 02:39 AM

I’ve tried a LN dovetail saw once, and I was astounded by the quality. It was like the saw could read my mind. Strongly leaning towards buying one soon.

-- Brian Timmons - http://www.BigTWoodworks.com

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#9 posted 05-26-2014 02:16 PM

No idea whether or not the saw in question was new, but it matters not to me.

I’m in agreement with the above posters; the bashing technique makes the basher look small

That alone would be enough to stop me from doing business with them.

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#10 posted 05-26-2014 05:22 PM

I own the tenon saw from LN. In short it is perfect! I would even say the build quality is better than LV but the price is a lot more for it. Anyway I use the LV dovetail saw. It works well!

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#11 posted 05-28-2014 12:47 PM

I am more than a little suspicious. L-N is the gold standard of hand tools IMHO. Every L-N tool I have purchases is flawless. I would avoid any company that makes badmouthing quality competitors a part of their marketing practices.

-- Improvidus, Apto quod Victum-- Improvise, Adapt, Overcome

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HorizontalMike

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#12 posted 05-28-2014 12:55 PM

It sure makes one wonder just how WINSOR deals with THEIR warranty issues when customers contact THEM.

I do not own any LN, but sure wish I could afford to. I can dream about them though…

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#13 posted 05-28-2014 09:13 PM

I have the LN tenon saw and it came perfect. Nothing loose, no crown, perfectly set, etc.

And I agree with the others. That “testimonial” seems very suspicious and I would avoid purchasing from any company that bad mouths their competitor. The flaws mentioned in the LN saw is way over the top… crowned blade, handle is loose and has a split, not enough set. Hmm.

-- Charles from California

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#14 posted 05-28-2014 09:34 PM

I have a LN dovetail and cross cut saw, both arrived to Mexico in perfect conditions. They are well sharpened, the cross cut has a nice set to the teeth and the thin kerf dovetail saw is the bees knees…..No regrets and if I had to do it again I would purchase them all over. With the exception that I would get the new dovetail thin kerf with sloped teeth… :-)

-- To surrender a dream leaves life as it is — and not as it could be.

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#15 posted 05-28-2014 09:45 PM

I wonder how long before the folks at Winsor see this thread and remove that little tidbit from their website? Perhaps after the horse is well out of the barn.

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