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karlswood

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05-25-2014 06:16 PM

Hello, I want to start woodworking and am going to order my table saw today, should I get one with a router extension built in or is a separate router table a better way to go ? I’m getting a grizzly 3hp cabinet saw.


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#1 posted 05-25-2014 06:36 PM

A stand alone unit will always have the most advantages, but if you’re short on space, a RT built into a TS is a great space saver. You can do all kinds of customizing of the storage and fences to minimize the compromise.

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#2 posted 05-25-2014 07:00 PM

I added a router to my table saw, glad I did, what I found is, what I really needed was a shaper.
The router in the saw is still a handy thing to have.

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#3 posted 05-27-2014 02:50 AM

Well first off, welcome! I’ve loved this craft for many many many years. I had that saw for a long time I think you will like it. As to the router table, its one of my go to tools. I use it a lot! I would recommend you build one. It’s a great project and it will let you cut your teeth so to speak and not too complicated. I made my table from Norm Abrams plans. It will take a few sheets of ply a little mdf, and some trim. I would also reccomend a lift. I have a woodpecker PRL and for a router, I have the Porter Cable 7518. It’s the standard all others’ are measured against. BTW my rig is over 10 years old, and still going strong. Good luck and remember don’t be afraid to make firewood. Also there are no such things as mistakes, only design changes. Have a good one!

-- Sooner or later Liberals run out of other people's money.

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#4 posted 05-27-2014 03:17 AM

Keep in mind that if you have a bit sticking out and want to use
the saw fence for a wider cut, you’ll have to remove the router
or retract the bit, losing the depth setting.

Sometimes you might want to do something like make mouldings
off a wide board and you’d route the edge, then rip the moulding
off. In this sort of circumstance a separate router table makes
sense. I don’t find the wing-mounted router makes a lot of sense
for the style of work I do, which never runs to making router cuts
with a fence more than a couple inches from the bit, so a simple
fence clamped to a router table works fine. By clamping one
end and moving the other fine adjustments can be simply made.
A t-square fence may not be so friendly. A separate router table
can be easily hauled outdoors for “dust collection” too.

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#5 posted 05-27-2014 03:26 AM

Separate router table is the better way. The extension is really only better if you’re short on space.

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#6 posted 05-27-2014 05:50 AM

Dedicated is always better, I had a combo, I was always having to do what I did not want to to do before I could do what I wanted to do!

Jack of all trades – Master of none!

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#7 posted 05-27-2014 06:09 AM

i have one of the incra ts/ls supersystems with the router table to the left side of the saw, and i couldn’t be happier (unless i had more space and $, then i’d go with a dedicated and probably be happier), but the incra converts from table saw fence to router fence in like 15 seconds (1 minute if a attach the wonderfence), other setups have different nuances to consider.

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#8 posted 05-27-2014 09:13 AM

Still here Karlswood?

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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#9 posted 05-27-2014 01:38 PM

Thanks, when I order my cabinet saw I will not get the built in router table. For now my plans changed though because I decided to buy a cheaper saw to try out woodworking first. Yesterday I picked up a craftsman 113.298762 for 150 and I am looking for a replacement fence. My first project will be making a cabinet base for it .

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#10 posted 05-27-2014 02:33 PM

Oh well, IMO you missed out on a nice Grizzly combination TS w/router extension… I have no regrets having spent the little bit extra on this. After all, this Grizzly combination is less than HALF of other comparable TSs.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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karlswood

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#11 posted 05-27-2014 03:15 PM

That is the saw I will buy next year. My dilemma is I have about 2400 saved up but if I spend it all on one saw I don’t have enough to build anything. I figure better to buy a bunch of used cheap tools and start woodworking then I can upgrade one at a time as needed while reselling the used tools probably without a loss.

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#12 posted 05-27-2014 03:25 PM

If you bought a saw like Mike’s , it would be the last one you would ever need to buy. It will outlast you and your kids.

I have the 1023Rlw and feel the same way about it. Under $1500.

-- Handcrafted by Mike Henderson - Channelview, Texas

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#13 posted 05-27-2014 03:31 PM

The 113.298762 has potential to be a good saw. It’s not in the same league as the G1023RL, but I understand where you’re coming from. A fence upgrade for the 113 would be a huge step….good blade and good alignment are also key factors. The Delta T2, Vega, Ridgid or Craftsman Align-a-rip fences are all decent candidates. You can probably recoup $30-$50 from your stock fence on Ebay.

Good luck with it.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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#14 posted 05-27-2014 03:45 PM

I really want to order the grizzly but my wife wants me to build her a farmhouse table with benches for the kitchen so I need to buy a sliding miter saw, drill, sander, jigs, clamps, Omg this is expensive lol

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#15 posted 05-27-2014 05:08 PM

A good TS is inherently a more robust design, and thus more accurate than a CMS or a Sliding CMS. I know it’s possible to get good results with a slider with proper setup and proper technique, I’m just saying that the TS is very adept at accurate crosscuts. The only thing I use my CMS for is really long pieces like molding. A jointer, planer, and router are pretty darn handy though!

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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