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Forum topic by HarveyDunn posted 05-16-2014 06:08 PM 1352 views 2 times favorited 22 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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05-16-2014 06:08 PM

I’m interested in making a keepsake box from thin lumber by gluing up a six sided cube then sawing it apart to create a base and a lid. I would then like to rout a lip or ledge around the top of the base and a matching one around the bottom of the lid to make them fit nicely together.

I anticipate that the routing around the bottom would be no problem, since it is on the exterior. But how would I do the top?


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#1 posted 05-16-2014 06:12 PM

Rabbet bit plus chisel to square the inside corners. Just be careful because if you aren’t paying attention that will put your hands right over the bit as you’re rabbeting the lid with just a thin piece of wood between your fingers and the cutters.

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#2 posted 05-16-2014 09:40 PM

Harvey, I’m not sure of your question. Are you asking if you should square the corners of the lid vs. rounding the corners of the bottom for a custom fit ? I assume you plan to maintain sufficent lip to the edge of the top when you cut the top and bottom apart. ..Or are you asking if your method is advisable ?

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#3 posted 05-17-2014 12:18 AM

Yonak, I’d like to keep both lips square. Easy enough to do on the base, as it is an exterior rout that can be done in straight passes. I can’t see how to do it on the lid since it is an interior rout.

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#4 posted 05-17-2014 12:22 AM

I would try a rabbit bit with a guide bearing in a router table.. clean up corners with a chisel. You could probably get away with using the router free handed, but it would be tricky.

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Brad

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#5 posted 05-17-2014 12:34 AM

There is a way to do the rabbets before you build the box. I am trying to find the article for you.

Essentially you do the rabbets first (inside on top and outside on bottom)and then when you build the box you embed the top near the bottom of the box, with the bottom above it and then do the seperation cut between the top (lid) and the bottom.

I know I may not be making much sense and am posting on an iPad so i can’t draw this right now.

If you can do this it will be much safer and more accurate because you use a router table and can do test cuts first.

Your corners will be square as well. No chisel needed using this method.
Ill keep looking for this online. PM me if you want to discuss, ill give u my cell #.

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#6 posted 05-17-2014 12:40 AM

like everyone said, but make sure you put a piece of wood backing up each edge for your outside rabbeting, because as you come out, it will want to rip the joint apart. so clamp a piece to the box so when you come out you have a backer.

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#7 posted 05-17-2014 12:42 AM

+1 RockyTop.....I think the guys from the Woodsmith Shop did an episode on this technique if that helps your search

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#8 posted 05-17-2014 12:46 AM

Yeah kdc68. I found a Woodsmith tip that was ALMOST what I was trying to describe. I have done this technique and love the ease of it.

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#9 posted 05-17-2014 12:51 AM

Harvey,

This isn’t really what you asked, but I sometimes get the same effect by lining the inside walls of the bottom piece with four thin pieces of (matching or contrasting) wood. These are probably about 1/8” thick and wide enough to stand a little proud of the actual sides of the bottom. This will provide the “nesting” with the top that you want.

I miter the ends of the liner pieces at 45 deg to form a little four-sided box within the box bottom. If you sneak up on the fit and get it tight, no glue is needed to hold the liner in place.

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#10 posted 05-17-2014 12:57 AM

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#11 posted 05-17-2014 12:58 AM

Maybe this rudimentary cut away drawing helps

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#12 posted 05-17-2014 01:00 AM

Thanks. Could you give me a link or a reference for the Woodsmith tip?

I applaud the cleverness of your drawing…but it doesn’t really work for the box I’m currently planning because I hope to preserve the rather spectacular figure in the boards I’m using.

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#13 posted 05-17-2014 01:06 AM

Here

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#14 posted 05-17-2014 01:18 AM

RockyTop .....That’s it !!!!!!!!!.....Great minds think alike eh?

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#15 posted 05-17-2014 01:19 AM

Easist way I know how to do it if I am not using hinges.

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