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Forum topic by emrhappy posted 05-12-2014 09:30 PM 1323 views 0 times favorited 6 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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05-12-2014 09:30 PM

Topic tags/keywords: planer jointer clamp maple question dust collector powermatic helical head spiral byrd

Greetings community! I feel blessed in that last Saturday, I went to an estate sale that my local woodworking club (NTWA) sent an email out for. I was only one of two people that showed up and not only did I meet some really fine folks, I got what I feel to be a great deal on a bunch of equipment. $2650 for the following:

Lie Neilsen No. 4 Bronze plane beautiful!
9 Bessey clamps including 5 kr3(s)
a lot of very nice spalted, birdseye and quilted maple planks
1 Oneida 2 stage dust collection (V-system 1500 type from 2002)
Enough 6,5 and 4” duct to plum my garage with blastgates
1 Powermatic model 60A 8” jointer (very good condition) (no helical head, yet…)
1 Powermatic model 15 15” planer (very good condition) (no helical head, yet…)
1 60 Gallon lightly used Kobalt A/C (2008 model) and…
One very heavy duty hand crafted workbench with a Veritas® Twin-Screw Tail Vise and a Jorgensen Rapid Acting Bench Vise w/serveral brass bench dogs.

I currently have a Dewalt DW735 13” planer and I’ve had real good luck with it. I’ve been reading a lot of folks not liking the heavier floor model planers due to rollers leaving marks on the wood, not as forgiving for finer cuts, snipe and inability to quickly set the depth of cut. This particular planer has the infeed and outfeed rollers and not the cast iron beds. My questions are as follows:

Is it better to have the cast iron beds rather than rollers? Will this help with the snipe?
What is the difference between the model 15 and model 15S planers? I know the HH is helical head and I plan on putting a byrd sheilix in both of these bad boys…
Are these type of planers really that unforgiving when it comes to marking up the work piece with the cast rollers or making lighter passess? If so, can the cast roller be replace with stiff rubber rollers like whats in the lunch box planers?
The dewalt has a chip extractor that forces the chips into the duct collection hose. I’ve read some folks complain about chip extraction on the PM planer… Does it force the chips out like the dewalt? Is this really a problem with this planer?

I’d like to think I have a good planer here and maybe it just needs to be dialed in correctly.

Thanks in advance for your reading and considering this…
regards,
bill

-- I cut that thing twice and it's still too short!


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#1 posted 05-12-2014 09:47 PM

The shop I used to work in had a Powermatic 160 with bed rollers that could be adjusted up and down, this was great for running less than perfect wood (that might be a bit wet) and not having the well worn feed rollers slip. The “good” planer was a 24” Delta/Invicta that was kept very clean and had a solid bed. Snipe was usually less on the bigger planer. The Powermatic doesn’t have a chip ejection system like your 735, but a decent dust collector that’s properly plumbed should be able to get rid of most, if not all of what it spits out.

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#2 posted 05-12-2014 10:16 PM

hmmm… so it sounds like your PM was the red headed stepchild of the shop… (no offense to red headed stepchildren). I’m really hoping this planer will perform as well if not better than the dewalt. I was going to immediately sell my 735, but I think I’ll hold off until I get some test time with the PM.

-- I cut that thing twice and it's still too short!

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#3 posted 05-12-2014 11:31 PM

I have the PM 180 and we love the machine. It does not get used much at all. It is more for looking at and admiring in our shop. I consider it a joy to have old machinery with rich American history. I do use the planer at night when I am playing in the shop.

But we have a large 7.5 hp woodmaster 25” planer that does the dirty work when building projects for customers.

The PM180 is just our toy at this time. It actually works great.

I really don’t know much about your planer model 15. Our planer has the serrated steel infeed roller, smooth steel outfeed roller. I would imagine there are a lot of similarities between your planer and mine. My planer seems to be completely adjustable which I find very good. The infeed roller is adjustable, the chipper is adjustable, the pressure bar aft of cutter head is adjustable, the outfeed roller is adjustable and the cast iron bed has left and right height adjustments. All of these adjustments are well thought out by Powermatic as they come in very handy when fine tuning your machine.

And by the way, I don’t find that I get any marks left on the board after planing, mainly because the serrated feeder in on the infeed and the outfeed roller is smooth.

Go ahead and toss that Dewalt, and welcome to the world of real planers :)

By the way, I am not certain of this, but I believe the model 15 can be set up with molding knives in the planer head. I know I can do that with my Woodmaster, but I believe Powermatic made the model 15 to run as a molding machine. We find that feature to be very beneficial in our shop.

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#4 posted 05-13-2014 12:10 AM

Jerry,

Thanks for the reassurance on the ‘real planer’.... There’s definitely a learning curve that I’ll have to come up on in order to get the most out of this machine. There’s a lot of adjustments that will need to be tweaked in. But hey, that’s part of the journey to me. I’ll bet that 180 is a beast and that woodmaster! now I’m jealous! I was really close to getting the 18” model a couple years ago, but couldn’t justify the cost at that time. Who knows, maybe one day.

I don’t know if this is the model that will support molding knives. I know there’s a Model PM15 (planer/molder 15”)... Mine is just a Model 15 and it looks different than the Model PM15. It’d be nice if it was, then I wouldn’t have to revisit the woodmaster ;)

-- I cut that thing twice and it's still too short!

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#5 posted 05-13-2014 12:43 AM

Yeah, I was just joking about the real planer comment. My first planer was a dewalt 735 and it was pretty good. It was very loud if I remember correct.

And yes, there is some learning curve on that planer you just bought. You might hold onto the dewalt until you get things going good with the Powermatic.

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#6 posted 05-13-2014 12:45 AM

The PM160 certainly lived a hard life, it was outside under an overhang and was used primarily for treated wood. After I fitted it with a 15hp motor, it would plow off 1/2” in a single pass from a treated 2×12 with the feed rate nearly at the top of the range. Replacing dull knives with sharp ones was a frequent undertaking.

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