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05-10-2014 03:38 PM

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Hi Gang
I have a bed to build for a customer and I’m using bed interlocking hardware. I you haven’t used this hardware before it mortices into both the post and the end grain of the rails of the bed. This bed rail is about 80”long so one way is to clamp the rail to a ladder and build a simple mortice jig on the end of the rail so you can router out the mortice while standing on the ladder ,this is a bit uncomfortable if not down right scary. I’ve done it this way in years gone buy but now have a Multi-router that will clamp the rail down firmly and mortice the end grain quit easily. This got me to thinking that folks with out a $4000 Multi-router might need a way to do this same operation without standing on a ladder or chiseling it out by hand. So I thought I’d throw it out to the cleaver minds on LJs to perhaps help folks without expensive equipment to do this same operation in a safer easier manner.

What’s you answer to this problem ?

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#1 posted 05-10-2014 05:31 PM

Jim, you are, no doubt, going to laugh at this..but if you had access to a shopsmith, you could it into horizontal boring position, put a router bit into the chuck, add one or two of those portable outfeed rollers out on the right hand side to support the piece, then clamp the rail to your miter gauge or crosscut sled and rout it out that way.

Another thought – The rail is about 6’6” and change, comfortable routing height for the average guy would be somwwhere about 3 feet off the ground. So if you had a 3 foot deep hole in, say the back yard or something, you could drop the rail down into the hole and the end would be about the right height for routing.

Sorry buddy, that’s the best I got right now.

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#2 posted 05-10-2014 05:54 PM

Thanks Jerry
That’s what I asked for creative thinking, good suggestions ,you never know what the rest of the membership has in the way of equipment or some kind of area that would allow to drop one end of your board lower than where your standing,perhaps standing on your bench in stead of a ladder .

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#3 posted 05-10-2014 05:59 PM

Well, I think you may have answered your own question!! What about clamping the rail to the side of your bench and then standing on the bench to rout it?

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#4 posted 05-10-2014 06:02 PM

Wait, I just had another idea, do you have any windows that are high off the ground? You could maybe affix the rail to the side of your house just under the window or somehow hang the board from the window sill and rout it that way. How you would fix it to the side of the house or hang it, though, is another matter… :-)

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#5 posted 05-10-2014 06:04 PM

That’s a distinct possibility .I really posted this for folks that don’t have the same equipment I have, so this makes two approaches so far. thanks for your Ideas.

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#6 posted 05-10-2014 06:04 PM

I’m thinking a sideways router table. Instead of a fence – you have a run off table. The sideways router table itself would be the thing that moved against the run off table. It’s like having an 8 foot fence. I’d clamp the work to the fence and move the sideways router table on a track.

But then again. It seems the router table might rock too much. My design is starting to get too complicated. The side mounted surface would need to slide accurately against the run off table.

Thanks for the puzzle. I’m going to let it simmer for a while before I present my unworthy solution.

Yeah – like the biggest issue that just entered my head. How do I ‘plunge’ my work into the contraption? Uh-huh unworthy.

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#7 posted 05-10-2014 06:09 PM

How about a brad point drill bit, to remove the majority of the waste, then a sharp chisel… and you sit down and do it off the end of your bench,,,, I have a Muli Router as well, but didn’t always,,, :)

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#8 posted 05-10-2014 06:11 PM

Mark that’s close to what my multi-router does except the router moves from side to side, it’s big and heavy enough to hold it in place as long as the end of the boards supported.
Thanks for more food for thought.

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#9 posted 05-10-2014 06:17 PM

I’m with charles. Put the end of the rail on the floor so you at least and angle to the bench. Then use a chisel. It’s not like you’ve got a dozen to do and they only go in a little bit. It would be like doing a few door hinges but even smaller. I wouldn’t waste my time with the vertical height and router set up for 4 small chip out’s.

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#10 posted 05-10-2014 06:18 PM

Jerry that did make me chuckle a little thinking of and unsuspecting passer by having saw dust rain down on them when your routering :) but if you have a large enough window that you could clamp it properly,why not.

Charles not fare making this simply :) LOL

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#11 posted 05-10-2014 06:24 PM

Daniel
I know simple is good and Charles always has the best command sense approach ,I was just wondering if anyone had made a jig to do the job.

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#12 posted 05-10-2014 06:36 PM

Jim, I have done it using a 1/2in edge trim bit with a 3/4 length cutter, 1/4 in shank along with a 1/4 bearing, board resting on table, mark your rail over the endgrain and carefully rout close to the edge, finish with a chisel, of course depending on your rail´s thickness you might have to use a different bearing, seems to work just fine.

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#13 posted 05-10-2014 06:39 PM

Jim, Matthias Wandel has made a machine called the PantoRouter that would take care of this in short order. If a person were in need often enough, and had the time and motivation to make this himself, this is really the hot ticket:

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#14 posted 05-10-2014 06:51 PM

Thanks Mario
Did you use some kind of guide or template.

That’s a good one Jerry, Matthias Wandel has all kinds of cool jigs.

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#15 posted 05-10-2014 06:58 PM

No Jim, didn´t use a guide, just slowly guided the cutter all the way. The 3/4 wide groove was perfect for the rail piece.

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