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Forum topic by MrRon posted 05-09-2014 06:53 PM 1904 views 0 times favorited 63 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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MrRon

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05-09-2014 06:53 PM

Last night, on TV, there was a paid message for a law firm that would represent persons injured by table or stationary saws. It claimed “30,000 people are injured, maimed or even killed due to table saw accidents” It then showed a picture of a Sawstop and flashed pictures of hands with missing fingers and mutilated hands. I didn’t catch the name of the law firm, but I’ll bet it had to be that of the sawstop developer. He is now going after all saw manufacturers. I hope the saw manufacturers have a good team of lawyers. A few law suits could bankrupt them, or put them out of the saw business. I didn’t have anything against sawstop, but now, I would never have a sawstop, even for free, just out of principal. I remember back a few years when someone filed a suit against Ryobi due to injury caused by one of their saws. I believe the verdict was for the plaintiff, but later overturned. Hopefully, people who have run their hand through a saw blade, will use discretion and realize their injury was due to their own lack of judgement and not that of the machine.

This is the same argument for guns. Guns don’t kill; people do and so it goes with saws. Saws don’t injure; people do. A saw or any machine just sits there quietly minding it’s own business and someone comes along, turns it on and sticks their hand into the spinning blade.

Maybe there should be a disclaimer on every machine and tool that states, “This machine is dangerous and can cause injury or death. Use at your own risk”.

An airplane or automobile is a good example. Who would stick their hand into a spinning fan blade or airplane propeller then sue the car or airplane maker?

To me, this is disturbing. In a litigation happy country, there may be many who would sue for the money, regardless of the circumstances and a lot of ambulance chasers available to oblige them. This could spell doom for woodworkers. Let’s hope nothing comes of this.


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copcarcollector

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#1 posted 05-09-2014 07:03 PM

There was a topic about this on the FOG, though that ad seemed to be a “teaser” of sorts, not a named law firm and not actually on TV. What a shame if this is happening—-

http://festoolownersgroup.com/various-woodworking-crafts-topics/lawyer-table-saw-tv-ad/

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bigblockyeti

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#2 posted 05-09-2014 07:05 PM

It is going too far. Woodworking is dangerous, those that can’t handle that need to take up button collecting instead.

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SamuraiSaw

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#3 posted 05-09-2014 07:06 PM

Was it this guy?

http://www.tablesawinjurylawyers.com/?gclid=COq6vMHEn74CFREV7AodSGwAnQ

-- Artisan Woodworks of Texas.... www.awwtx.com

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Shawn Masterson

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#4 posted 05-09-2014 07:21 PM

This is out of control. It reminds me of the old bitty that burned herself with MD’s coffee, sued, and won.

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MrRon

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#5 posted 05-09-2014 07:22 PM

SamuariSaw, It could have been. I’m sure Gass has an interest in it, he being a lawyer.

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mds2

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#6 posted 05-09-2014 07:22 PM

That festool link seems to dispel all of the assumptions in the OP.

“this is from a company, CAMG or Consumer Attorney Marketing Group, that help lawyers market their services by putting together these types of ads. There’s no phone number or contact information because this is a generic template. Their YouTube channel is riddled with examples of all sorts of lawsuit ads and the like.”

Darn, all that misplaced hatred.

Also, as far as the coffee lawsuit went: Id have to say if it can fuse your labia together through your clothes, that it is too hot.

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Ocelot

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#7 posted 05-09-2014 07:25 PM

Personal responsibility is so old-fashioned, they say.

There is a big case where a guy and some of his buddies built a bomb at work (off duty) and this guy was injured when it exploded. (He claims it was a “potato gun”, but it was loaded with pieces of scrap metal and not a potato). He’s suing the employer for “lack of supervision”. I figure if he wins, the employer should sue the state for “lack of supervsion to ensure that the complany was supervising”. If the state loses, it could sue the federal govt for the same thing. If the feds lose, they could sue the U.N.

-Ocelot

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copcarcollector

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#8 posted 05-09-2014 07:33 PM

MDS2 – Yes but the OP here says they saw the ad on TV, not just a template on YouTube, with an actual lawyers group to call.

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mds2

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#9 posted 05-09-2014 07:39 PM

Yes, I read that as well. Unfortunately for the haters it has nothing to do with Mr. Gass.

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copcarcollector

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#10 posted 05-09-2014 07:40 PM

Perhaps, but still it is a BS tactic for any lawyer to try. Same goes for all of the medical lawyer ads I see nightly

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SamuraiSaw

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#11 posted 05-09-2014 07:42 PM

”Yes, I read that as well. Unfortunately for the haters it has nothing to do with Mr. Gass.”

Huh?

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mds2

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#12 posted 05-09-2014 07:43 PM

Not disagreeing with you. Lawyers have a bad reputation for a reason. Its just sooooo bad for the SS haters that this isnt something they can froth over. And yet they still try to blame SS.

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Richard

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#13 posted 05-09-2014 07:44 PM

Yep this is nuts , they say that the man who sued Ryobi got 1.5 Million because the injury could have been prevented if the saw had the Sawstop Tech. in it. Seems to me that no one forced him to buy an unsafe saw from Ryobi when he could have gone out and bought a Saw Stop , so it is his fault for buying an unsafe saw in the first place. And I am not a Saw Stop Hater , I just flat out can’t afford one.
I have been useing Unsafe Non Saw Stop tablesaws for close to 50 years and I still have all my fingers, mostly because my Father and Grandfather both pounded Saftey into my head from even before the first time I touched one. If you don’t know the Safe way to use any tool you can get hurt , so go take a class on it and not just read the Manual which is only going to tell you so much and not all the details of how you can get hurt.
I kind of wonder if the Saw Stop Manual goes into anymore detail about how to safely use it than any of the other Major Brands do. And even if it does go into Extreme detail , that dosen’t mean the owner is going to read it , so again it falls back to the owner or operator of the saw to know what they are doing.

Maybe Mr. Gass could Sue these people for useing his product in thier ads without his permission.

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Smitty_Cabinetshop

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#14 posted 05-09-2014 07:51 PM

The decision was appealed by both McDonald’s and Liebeck in December 1994, but the parties settled out of court for an undisclosed amount less than $600,000.

The coffee is still served at the same temps, no change has been made by McDs. So, moral of the story, ‘Let’s be careful out there.’

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tdwilli1

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#15 posted 05-09-2014 07:54 PM

Seems like people are quick to blame it on SS without checking the full story. But yeah suing for any and anything that you should have personal responsibility for is getting out of hand.

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