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05-08-2014 06:37 PM

Topic tags/keywords: cabinet saws table saws baileigh powermatic jet laguna buying advice

I’m looking to upgrade from my standard sliding 2hp table saw to a cabinet saw however I’m really only looking for maybe a 30-36” rip capacity. Obviously mobility and storage on partly factors for that. I’ve come across a few saws such as a the Laguna Fusion, Powermatic & Jet smaller cabinet saws, and even Baileigh which I’m not too familiar with. Does anyone have first hand experience with any of these smaller professional cabinet saws and could lead me in the right direction? As I’m upgrading several Grizzly tools, I’m not too anxious to purchase their brand again. Thanks for any advice you can lend on what you’ve experienced and maybe what I should look out for.
Thank you – Crickett.


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#1 posted 05-08-2014 07:50 PM

Be careful what you “upgrade” to, and look more closely at the type of saw than the brand. FWIW, the Grizzly G0690 is the same as the Laguna Platinum, Craftex CX200, Baleigh TS-1040P-30, Harvey HW110LGE-30, and Oliver 3hp cabinet saw models….most of which cost more than the G0690, and all of which are a significant upgrade from a hybrid or contractor saw. The Laguna Fusion, and “smaller cabinet saws” from Jet and PM are likely hybrids, not industrial cabinet saws….the difference are most notable under the hood. The Grizzly G0690 and G1023R series are among the best bangs for the buck on the market IMHO. To get significantly more saw than either of those two models, you’d have to spend close to twice as much….Saw Stop PCS 3hp, PM2000, or Delta Unisaw in the $2800-$3500 range.

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#2 posted 05-08-2014 07:55 PM

You should be getting plenty of Saw Stop recommendations in the near future. I have a Delta X5 Unisaw and love it.

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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Crickett

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#3 posted 05-08-2014 08:25 PM

What matters to me the most are really the small details which often times are not noticeable online or in catalogs. I have a Woodcraft close by who carries the Laguna line, and an ernormous hardware nearby that carries the PM/Jet lines and Sawstop. They also carry General International and Steel City (but both seem to scream “cheap import” to me). Don’t get me wrong, any saw I buy will be an import so I’m looking more for the details beyond the lipstick. I’m not to interested in Delta as they appear to be in a downward spiral – meaing that finding parts for some of their machines that are only 2-5 years in nearly impossible. That doesn’t bode well for Delta and that alone makes the Unisaw (however awesome of a machine it may be), completely undesirable to me. I’ve seen the SawStop in action at several at several WWIA shows as well as at my local dealer, and I’m just not so sure it’s what I’m looking for. That fit/finish is not greatly impressive, and the table is extremely narrow. When I’m shopping for a saw, the price to me is secondary. Does anyone have first hand experience with Laguna, Baileigh, PM/Jet 30-36” saws or others in the size range I’m looking for? Also, I don’t want any contractor style saws.
Thanks – Crickett.

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#4 posted 05-08-2014 08:39 PM

If you want a refined saw, get one from Europe.

Old American industrial iron can be nicely made too, but
very heavy and mostly 3 phase.

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#5 posted 05-08-2014 08:45 PM

Crickett had no idea you were a woodworker.
Obviously it sounds like you want a euro saw.

As long as you are upgrading and it sounds like you are discontent (reading into it) with Grizzly,
Why not try a hammer, or minmax..
There are always stuff appearing on Craigslist or Ebay, but even better is this auction site which is more frequent.
http://irsauctions.com/index.asp This is not the IRS, don’t know why they named it that. These are equipment auctioneers.

-- Jeff NJ

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#6 posted 05-09-2014 05:16 PM

What are the most important things to be conscious of when I’m looking to buy my new saw? My local hardware is having a huge tool sale this weekend where I can view and demonstrate different saws first hand. To me, what else counts other than a strong motor, nice finish on the top, and a solid fence system? Thanks for advice

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#7 posted 05-09-2014 10:02 PM

Crickett, you have basically listed the top items.
Here are some others.
  • Ease of adjustment to fine tune (zero in) the saw.
  • Riving knife that follows the blade for kickback safety.
  • Switch placement for shutting down in a panic. (can it be moved to where you would like). (minor but a consideration)
  • Does the top have a 3/4 inch miter T slot if you don’t do a sliding table. Some brands do not have a standard sized slot.
  • Is the top granite or metal, I prefer cast iron, the granite tops do not allow magnetic attachments.
  • Are parts readily available and what’s the companies history and stability.
  • How’s the dust collection
  • Will it fit into your space

I hope others can add more.

-- Jeff NJ

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#8 posted 05-10-2014 02:48 AM

Take a look at the owner’s manual for both the Laguna and Grizzly products. I consider the manual a proxy for how the company treats the rest of the product. If a company isn’t going to pay a tech writer who’s native language is the target for the document to write a decent manual, then how can you expect that they’ll pay a factory to make a decent saw? FWIW, both owners manuals are available online.

And Grizzly has stellar customer service. I had reason to call them recently and was not at all disappointed.

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#9 posted 05-10-2014 07:53 AM

I have a Sawstop Professional Cabinet saw. I am fairly happy with it, and the “stop” part of SawStop makes the wife happy.

However, if I would start all over, I wouldn’t buy it again. Instead I would choose a European-style saw with a sliding table. In many situations I wished I had one—it just makes a lot of things easier. I like the Hammer K3, and when I relocate to Europe I will probably invest in that one. Check out their videos on youtube. They also seem to really stand behind their products.

Anyway, that’s just my 2 cents on table saws…

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Crickett

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#10 posted 05-10-2014 11:19 PM

DrTebi, there’s certainly no valid argument against a high quality sliding table saw. If it was in most peoples budgetts, I would have to agree that there’s probably nothing better. What I’m upgrading from is a 2hp Craftsman sliding saw which I inherited from my father-in-law. For my early woodworking projects and applications, it worked great I do like how the sliding table will accomodate large or oddly shaped pieces. Im very interested in the Baileigh and Laguna style cabinet saws and have done extensive research on both. I’ve even talked to both companies tech departments and am very close to making a decision. I know that I need a minimum 3hp saw, and what I like about the Baileigh is I can get a 30” rather than a 52” which is what I really want – my Festool track saw can make short work of any sheet stock that I need ripped. As I eluded to in previous posts, I’m not really considering Grizzly at this point as for the most part they just don’t have the fit an finish I want. I will keep posted on what I decided to purchase here in the very near future.

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#11 posted 05-10-2014 11:25 PM

Which Baleigh are you looking at?

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Crickett

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#12 posted 05-11-2014 12:19 AM

The Baileigh TS-1040-P-30 and the Laguna MTS0300-0180

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#13 posted 05-11-2014 01:06 AM

Some time ago a saw called the INCA 2200 was sold in N.
America. That arbor traveled up and down on dovetailed
ways. Laguna has a saw with this feature too. I had
a 2200 and it was precise too.

Other than that, the feature is mostly found on vintage
and very heavy industrial saws.

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#14 posted 05-11-2014 11:18 AM

”The Baileigh TS-1040-P-30….”

If you’re concerned about the fit and finish of the G0690, I doubt you’d you’d be satisfied with the different logo on the Baleigh….AFAIK, it’s same saw, from the same materials, made at the same plant. The Baleigh includes a miter gauge fence…I’m not sure if the Baleigh offers the Leeson motor like the G0690. Baleigh does offer dealer support if there’s a dealer in your area, but it comes at a steep premium.



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#15 posted 05-11-2014 11:35 AM

I think that you have plenty of good suggestion and the best thing that you can do is to actually put your hands on them and given them a try.

As others have mentioned, looking closely at them you can see the fit and finish, try raising and lowering the blade and rotating it to 45° and also to look at the dust collection. Take a look at the options for moving the saw around your shop. I think that this is an important item for most of us. The saws are heavy so having a good mobile base makes a difference.

Another item to look at is how it is delivered to you. I really think that having your local store deliver it and get it in place is a real plus. This is one reason why I have stayed away from Grizzly. I know that standard truck delivery is part of their business plan and helps keep prices down but it is just not for me.

A last piece of advice is not to be in too much of a hurry. Take your time and find the one that you are happy with even if it means going back and looking at it a dozen times.

I have a SawStop PCS with the industrial mobile base and am happy with it but it is not in the price range that you mentioned. I made a lot of trips to a woodworking store to look at it.

Good Luck in finding the best saw for you.

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