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kolwdwrkr

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01-16-2009 11:56 PM

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So here I go, starting a subject. Yippee, lol. Well I feel like I’m being screwed, and a lot of other people out there are too. I am writing this in regards to the legality of working from a home shop. Here in Laguna Hills it is illegal to work from home with any type of business. I understand that it is obviously residential and not commercial or industrial. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to know that. But why? Why should I have to pay for an expensive mortgage then commute to an expensive shop? Why should I have to pay all that money in overhead when my garage is sitting here. Why is it that I can build furniture all day long as a hobby, but once I sell it I get penalized? I understand the noise situation and disturbances but I know most of my neighbors and they all either leave all day or have a set up of their own. Heck they let their wild kids run around the place screaming and yelling disturbing me more then my tools could disturb them. In fact I’ve walked out onto the sidewalk to find chalked drawings everywhere, and it seems to take forever to come off. But I don’t care. They are kids. So in this economy don’t you think they should give allowances for this situation? Can you imagine how many out of work people may lose their homes because they can’t work from there and have lost or shut down their paid for shop. Lets be real here. I pay for the house and taxes. But I have to pay to be somewhere else too? Seems unreal to me. Thoughts?

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Bob #2

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#1 posted 01-17-2009 12:16 AM

KW: We live in a society run by pygmy bureaucrats.
When they are not presenting briefs for additional taxes they are asking for additional bylaws by to control the taxpayers.
Because we work not only to support ourselves but also hard enough to pay their obscene wages and benefits we are also subject gut wrenching fines for non compliance. As you remember this was the primary duty of the Sheriff of Nottingham when Robin hood made the King back down in England.
KW I “read” you trying to make logic or sense of the regulations when in reality they are just there to oppress you and keep you poor.

You have two choices:
1.Comply
2.Move away.

There was a third choice but not used in the western world since the French revolution.

Bob

-- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner

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Kindlingmaker

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#2 posted 01-17-2009 12:36 AM

I opted for the moving part. To live somewhere where there were rules before I arrived I needed to abide by them. I wanted a different way of life. I moved to the high desert where there is acreage and nieghbors are far away compared to the city. If you like Starbucks and Dillards stay in the city but if you like to do the things that make sense to you and live a life without the stresses of complaining about the rules, move. There is always a reason to stay and let everything be as it always has or change the style of your life. Never an easy thing to do but if done you may well ask yourself why you didn’t do that long ago. (There are rules every where you go, you just have to choose the ones you can live with and work in that direction.)

-- Never board, always knotty, lots of growth rings

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bhack

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#3 posted 01-17-2009 12:51 AM

I opted for the moving part. My move was longer( 1800 miles). i could not see living in one of the most regulated states. No drive-bys, no boom boxes thumping, etc… There are better places than California.

-- Bill - If I knew GRANDKIDS were so much fun I would have had them first.

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Bob #2

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#4 posted 01-17-2009 01:30 AM

I know a guy a block from me who has his home above his shop in a light industrial /apartment block area.

For guys starting out this is a win win deal.

Any city that overlooks this is going to lose their best and brightest.

Bob

-- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner

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Lee A. Jesberger

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#5 posted 01-17-2009 01:44 AM

Hi kolwdwrkr;

I’m with Bob.

I think you should give your work away, and accept tips and donations. This way, you’re not selling anything.

Maybe a politician heard you were down, so he figured he should kick you.

I have written a bunch of other comments, regarding our lawmakers, then deleted them. But I think it’s about time for another tea party!

Good Luck!

Lee

-- by Lee A. Jesberger http://www.prowoodworkingtips.com http://www.ezee-feed.com

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dennis mitchell

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#6 posted 01-17-2009 01:44 AM

Big brother is watching. Heck out in the farm lands of Idaho it is illegal to run a business that is not agriculture. I can’t build on our family farm because we already have one home there. This is the heart of “Small Government” republican politics. So I just figure the politicians are just giving that idea lip service. They will control everything they can and find a way to tax it.

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pommy

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#7 posted 01-17-2009 01:46 AM

What i don’t understand is if you make furniture as a hobby why not make the comission’s and don’t tell the stupid bureau-prats i have one simple philosophy what they don’t know can’t hurt them

andy

-- cut it saw it scrap it SKPE: ANDREW.CARTER69

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kolwdwrkr

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#8 posted 01-17-2009 01:55 AM

First thing every property manager said to me was “You cannot live here.” I know of one shop that took the liberty to “secretively” set up a shower and bedroom in his shop. He is no longer there. The problem here is that to justify the lease payment on say an 1800 sq ft shop you need to produce a ton of cabinets, which means you have to have employees and tools. By the time you build enough cabinets it is like working in a garage, and a lot of times seems worse. Here it is getting to be over $1.50 a sq ft. Add that to your mortgage, 2 electric bills, insurance, trash, etc etc and you end up with not enough work to support it, and you are forced to give up one or the other. There has to be a compromise. I understand that a guy may hire employees. But how much work can you put out of a 2 car garage full of tools? A helper is almost going to be in the way. The exception is if you are say a painter or do tile or something where you are using your garage for storage. Then I can see employees parking on the street while they drive off in company vehicles. So since there are already a ton of rules why not just change things and make the gear the rules towards residential woodshops. Lets start off by saying you cant run a shop from an apartment, condo, or attached townhouse simply because there is no parking to begin with and they are already attached to other homes. So you have to either have a detached garage or a house that isn’t attached to others and has it’s own driveway for your vehicle. I park 2 cars outside my garage and still have the street to park.
I don’t know why I’m complaining I just figured they should work with some of the small business’s instead of forcing us to work for pennies and compete for jobs. I have considered moving and will eventually if not sooner then later. I don’t have enough work to pay for my mortgage and a shop so my house is forclosing because I can’t work from home. I want to stay for my daughter. I know I will miss her if I leave. With child support, back taxes, and 2k to rent an apartment (I have 2 other kids living with me and my daughter stays once a week, so I need a 3 bedroom). There is nobody going to pay me what I need to make to pay my monthly bills. The only way is if I am the owner and making the money myself. Lifes rough and I’m just the little man on the totem pole so none of this, including my lifelyhood matters.

-- ~ Inspiring those who inspire me ~

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CharlieM1958

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#9 posted 01-17-2009 02:00 AM

You’re in Laguna Hills? My wife has relatives who live in Laguna Woods. Beautiful area.

The working at home thing is a tough call. Lots of people like accountants can get away with it, but it’s a lot harder to hide when you’re making furniture.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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Gene Howe

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#10 posted 01-17-2009 02:08 AM

Hey man, YOU MATTER!
Get the H—- outta there.

-- Gene 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton

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mrtrim

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#11 posted 01-17-2009 02:13 AM

good point about accountants charlie . about ten yr. ago my accountant used to come to my house and pick up my taxes bring them home and do them , when done he brought them back . now i have to make an appointment to see him at his 2000 sq ft office with about 8 employees . when there done i have to make another appointment to pick them up . believe me im paying for his advancements !

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pokieone

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#12 posted 01-17-2009 02:23 AM

B2, I hear ya. Trying to make logic from governmental interference is worse that banging your head against the wall. WK, hope you find a solution to your problem.

-- I will not preach, nor will I be silent.

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Catspaw

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#13 posted 01-17-2009 02:25 AM

I look at the problem a little differently.

I’m lucky in that I live in the country with very little interference from the government. I’ve lived in the city, also.

The problem is not that you want to run a business out of your home. The problem is that some hon-yock, at some time, did something to really create a problem, somewhere. So the government had to step in to “protect” us all from ourselves.

I certainly wouldn’t want some one to open up a race track next door to me. But, I want to do what I want. I consider my neighbors before I do something that would bother them (too much). It only takes a few inconsiderate people here and there to cause some other group of people to install a new law to prevent what those few people have done. It then effects alot more people that WOULDn’t have that problem.

I try to do everything I can to prevent anybody from knowing what I’m doing. I say tell them you moved your commercial shop and continue working in the garage and if anybody asks, tell them it’s your hobby shop.

-- arborial reconfiguration specialist

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kolwdwrkr

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#14 posted 01-17-2009 04:38 AM

I understand how frustrating it would be to the neighbors if 10 shops popped up on the street. The thing is that they could just have a “curfew” type of deal whereas you have certain hours of opporation. I don’t live in a neighborhood with doctors, lawyers, accountants, etc. I’m middle class so no gated communities for me. What does that mean? 90% of my neighbors are like me. The other 10% are only here because they bought the home new in 1975.
Lee, I agree that there’s way to much to say about the “lawmakers” and have deleted comments myself.
Catspaw, I’ve been through so much lately that I am going to just work from the garage and say it’s a hobby. If people don’t like it they can ^%$# off or help me pay for a shop.
Bentlyj, I sure hope you pull out of your dilema and don’t turn out like me. I’ll keep you in my thoughts.
Beechpilotbarry, I understand that I should (we should) take things up with the agency that has control over the situation but like everyone else I am to pesimistic to do it. I feel like I would be waisting my breath. Now if 50 of us wanted to go in there and have a pow wow I’d be more interested. Unfortunately most of the problems with and in this country just get left alone and we all just suck it up and deal with it. And unfortunately that’s what I’ll do. I’m going to lose the house anyhow so there’s not much I can do about it. Thanks for all the comments.

-- ~ Inspiring those who inspire me ~

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Peter Oxley

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#15 posted 01-17-2009 05:14 AM

If you aren’t doing retail sales from your home (sign in the yard, extra cars parked around), and you aren’t breaking noise ordinance (running the planer after midnight might get you in trouble), and you don’t have a forklift moving material around your front yard, I think it would be pretty hard to pin anything on you. Usually, the problem for the city and the neighbors is when your house starts to look/act like a business. If you occasionally give your neighbors small items that you’ve made, I doubt they’ll complain.

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