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WoodNDust

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05-07-2014 01:00 PM

This 8” Powermatic 60 jointer is for sale near me with asking price of $800 obo. Waiting to hear back from the fella on some questions that I have before taking a look. What’s your opinion on this one? Worth getting and upgrading cutter to helical?

I typically buy new, because so many folks around my area ask way too much for used machines. But thinking that I might find a deal out there, so now looking.


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EastLake

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#1 posted 05-07-2014 01:21 PM

I really don’t think you could go wrong with this jointer. At 1/2 price, not sure how old the unit is, but Powermatic is top of the line. You could come in around $600, check what the going rate for PM is on Ebay. Check the one on the link. It’s going for $750 near Penn State and is significantly newer and only a 6”.

http://pennstate.craigslist.org/tls/4429074638.html

-- Mark, Western New York, East Lake Woodcraft

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#2 posted 05-07-2014 01:35 PM

EastLake – thanks for the tip. I’ll look on Ebay to gauge pricing.

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#3 posted 05-07-2014 04:11 PM

Well, the fella selling said that he is unsure of when it was manufactured. Also, he sent me a picture of the serial number and the motor plate. The motor is a 1.5 HP Marathon Electric motor. It is a replacement for the original. I am unsure how to figure out the date of manufacture from the serial as Wiki that I found on the net shows different serial number layouts for differing years and this doesn’t really match up.

Any suggestions for figuring out the age of this thing? It is definitely older. I’m trying to get as much info before driving 30 minutes to see it up close.

As for price, I think $800 is way too much for it. My sense is that if it all works okay and is flat, that $400 is more like the ball park.

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EastLake

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#4 posted 05-07-2014 04:52 PM

You probably aren’t far off. Offering $400 below the listing price (or 1/2 the asking price) may get you laughed off the property, but might give you an opportunity to meet in the middle. Bear in mind, new units are over $2000.

The replacement motor is a good sign, and the other thing is the condition of the cutter head, although you are planning on replacing that. I would get the model number and call Powermatic to see if the cutter head is even compatible.

-- Mark, Western New York, East Lake Woodcraft

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WoodNDust

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#5 posted 05-07-2014 04:57 PM

EastLake – I’m going to call Powermatic this afternoon. When a machine is very expensive to purchase I can see why people want to get as much as possible when they sell. The flip side is that while I cannot buy a Powermatic for $1200, I could buy a grizzly that already comes with a helical style head for $1275 plus freight. So paying $800 plus another $350 for a Byrd head seems expensive in comparison.

I think I just need to figure out the age of this machine.

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#6 posted 05-07-2014 05:36 PM

Thats the problem with the used market. Grizzly has devalued the market. I have a PM66 and its nice, but I don’t see where powermatic commands such a high used price. When it comes to jointers there are 2 kinds. From my point of view they are all the same just a different color. I believe that color of powermatic was in the 80’s. knowing you plan on the byrd head, $500 would be top of my price. I would compare it to a grizzly, cause the are all the same. Looking at the picture it looks just like my grizzly 1018. It looks Identical, except the color, and I paid $350 with some clean up time.

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#7 posted 05-07-2014 07:23 PM

I think you are on the right track looking at 8” machines, that is a good size jointer to have. I also look at how the tables are secured. The PM pictured is a standard dovetail way design. I don’t know how the PM is to adjust, but my old Jet was a pain to adjust the beds coplanar. It had a dovetail way design, and needed periodic adjustments to stay flat.
Another option is parallelogram beds. They are more fully adjustable, and don’t require brass shims. More importantly, once adjusted properly they stay put. Parallelogram models include Delta DJ-20, Grizzly 490 and 490x, and the Shop Fox W1741. They are all basically the same machine, with a few different features. I have the Delta version and am quite pleased with it.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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WoodNDust

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#8 posted 05-07-2014 08:08 PM

Well the machine is from 1984; 30 years old.

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#9 posted 05-07-2014 08:26 PM

Worth $600 because it’s a Powermatic. The brand has a
bit of cachet. I sold an 8” Houdalie Powermatic for $550
a couple years back… took awhile to find a buyer but
I’m in Los Angeles where there is plenty of turnover
in machines of that class on Craigslist so prices may be
lower here.

I am dubious of the value of helical head upgrades relative
to other areas you could put your equipment dollars.

Hand planes and/or a stroke sander are likely more prudent
investments in overall surfacing efficiency, imo,

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WoodNDust

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#10 posted 05-07-2014 09:25 PM

pintodeluxe – I actually ordered the Grizzly G0490X last year. It arrived in damaged containers. Since I had prior issues received damaged goods from Grizzly and really was very busy so could not take time to deal with issues, I just refused shipment and got a refund.

As for the 8” machines, I could go either way really. Long bed 6” machines interest me also. Most of what I do will involve jointing stock under 6” anyway, but with the initial cost of a 6” machine, getting an 8” is not much more if either going used or deciding on a Grizzly machine. Jet and Steel City also make competitive 8” jointers. The differences between the Jet and Steel City vs Grizzly in the same price point is Grizzly has the parallelogram design, as you point out. For a new machine the G0490X is a lot of machine for the money.

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#11 posted 05-07-2014 09:30 PM

Loren – I can understand the Powermatic cachet but they are no longer made in the USA. Fit and finish on them seems very good from what I can tell seeing them in my local Woodcraft store. But a machine dealer is selling a couple of 6” 54A’s about 2 hour drive from me for $849 and $749, but considering the same machine sells brand new for $1050 with a full warranty, the savings is of too little value. If a drive is in order, like for me, then I might as well buy it new, if that’s the model I want.

I have heard mixed opinions of the helical vs HSS straight blades. I really like that the helical units have indexed blades, so no height adjustments. I used to make log homes and had to perform knife changes on a regular basis. It’s not a deal breaker, a nice feature though.

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#12 posted 05-07-2014 09:44 PM

Shawn – I looked into the Grizzly G1018. The most recent brand new price for that machine was $765. You’re right, it looks exactly like this machine except the paint job. Additionally, Grizzly offers the G0656, which in many ways is similar to this Powermatic for $795 brand new, plus shipping. It is really looking like I would need to get this for $400 to be worth the hassle.

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ToddThompson

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#13 posted 05-07-2014 10:30 PM

I am a new to woodworking however I have been buying some equipment over the past 6 are 8 months and after setting my jointer up and doing more investigating I agree with pintodeluxe those parallelogram beds are the way to go I bought a new 1200.00 dallor 6’’ woodtek with the dove tail bed an already had the upgraded cutter head and is doing ok but I can see it being a problem in the future

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Shawn Masterson

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#14 posted 05-07-2014 10:43 PM

Not that grizzly is a bad thing, it just makes it hard to buy used when their new are so close in price. I almost ordered a new jointer, I just couldn’t justify it. So I scoured CL and finally picked mine up at an auction. It took me over a year to find it. Don’t be afraid of a 3phz machine. For the right price you could swap out the motor, or run it off a static converter.

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WoodNDust

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#15 posted 05-07-2014 11:43 PM

Todd – seems like you got a good deal on your 8” Woodtek with helical cutterhead. Very nice. How do you like fit and finish of your Woodtek? I saw a Woodtek 6” jointer for around $350-$400 range. It was tempting but I wasn’t sure about the fit/finish and to drive very far to go home empty handed, that’s not so economical either.

Shawn – I may have to search for a while. Good reminder. Thanks.

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