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Forum topic by Bieser posted 04-30-2014 03:45 AM 909 views 0 times favorited 19 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Bieser

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04-30-2014 03:45 AM

I guess its time to take back my shop from the dust. I have acquired some bigger tools through the years and dragging around my HF dust collector is not cutting it anymore. I am in the market for a collector. I know that I want something in the 2-3 hp range with a cyclone. I am looking at the JDS 2hp, the Laguna 3hp and several of the Grizzlys. My question is how accurate do you believe the manufactures ratings are. For example the JDS says it runs at 1700 cfm and the Laguna is around 2200. None of the grizzlies are anywhere close to those kind of ratings. I am planning on buying a collector that will allow for me to run bigger tools yet in the future.
What are your thoughts and am I missing a manufacturer with a good machine around the 1200-1600 range.

Thanks


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crank49

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#1 posted 04-30-2014 01:33 PM

In my opinion there is not a nickels worth of difference between all the collectors claiming 2hp and with a single filter bag on top with a plastic bag on the bottom. In that category, HF rules the value niche.
I personally find most everything Laguna sells is over priced and from what I hear their customer service sucks, so that’s a no-brainer for me.
That leaves me with deciding between Grizzly, Clearview, Omega and Penn State for cyclone collectors. I think Grizzly has a good reputation and a competitive price in this category so my chouce would be between Grizzly and what ever the best deal I could get from one of these others.
CFM ratings don’t mean squat without corresponding pressure ratings. Best is a fan curve graph. You can see at a glance what CFM you get at any given pressure. That is a tool you can work with to design a good system.

-- Michael :-{| “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” ― A H

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Fred Hargis

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#2 posted 04-30-2014 02:11 PM

I won’t argue with Crank’s points. My personal choice would be a CV, but a lot of folks don’t like the DIY stuff that goes with it. Next to that would be the Griz, and the G0441 falls right into your criteria. Be sure you have the ceiling height for it. Be aware that getting the top performance from such a unit also requires a ducting system that will support it, that usually means 6” lines and the duct work cost can be considerable.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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squaretree

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#3 posted 04-30-2014 04:14 PM

I picked up a gently used grizzly 2hp pretty cheap on Craigslist. Put a baffle under it, and vented the blower straight out the wall (granted, not everyone can do that). I’ve yet to see any visible dust outside. My biggest cost was 6” pvc and accessories. I am very pleased with the set up.

-- if you can't find me, just follow the extension cord

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Shawn Masterson

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#4 posted 04-30-2014 08:37 PM

The ratings are WAY OVERRATED. If you are in the $1500 range there is now better choice than the clearvue.
I challenge any other manufacturer ti do this.

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Bieser

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#5 posted 05-01-2014 03:05 AM

After looking at other people’s recommendation I am considering penn state tempest cyclones also

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woodchuckerNJ

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#6 posted 05-01-2014 03:13 AM

Nice Shawn… that’s making a pretty good and funny statement.

That’s a lot of static pressure. I wonder how much HP that unit had and the impeller size….

WHEWWWWWW..

-- Jeff NJ

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Manitario

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#7 posted 05-01-2014 01:58 PM

I think for the price and the quality, the Penn State tempest cyclones are the best on the market right now. I have a 5hp clearvue and it’s great, but if I wanted to save some $$ and still get an excellent cyclone, I’d go with the 3hp tempest.

-- Sometimes the creative process requires foul language. -- Charles Neil

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Bieser

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#8 posted 05-15-2014 06:08 AM

Thanks for the input I am still shopping, I have it narrowed down between three Grizzly, tempest and clearvue. I would love to run the grngate system with it so that may limit me to 3 hp machine. Problem with grizzly is they say a min. 40 amp circuit…not sure how I feel abou that.

B

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woodchuckerNJ

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#9 posted 05-15-2014 07:24 AM

Yea that’s a lot of amps for 220.

-- Jeff NJ

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Fred Hargis

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#10 posted 05-15-2014 11:25 AM

Beiser, I run my 5 HP cyclone on a 30 amp circuit and it isn’t even close to exceeding that. It’s hard to imagine why Griz would call for a 40 amp on anything that size or smaller.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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Shawn Masterson

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#11 posted 05-15-2014 01:23 PM

Maybe I weird, but I don’t see what all the fuss is about with the automatic BG. I would rather have a large DC that does it right, than some fancy BG and a smaller unit, and have more money invested in the later. With a starting price at $500, that buys a lot of other tools that can do something I can’t. I can open a blast gate. Sorry this post was not meant to sound angry, it’s just my thoughts.

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Jerry

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#12 posted 05-15-2014 01:46 PM

We are in the DC evolution process ourselves. We have a Delta 5 hp Cyclone Leeson motor. It runs a 14” impeller which I have considered swapping out for a 16” impeller.

But to your question, I think I would stay with 5 hp and not go less. Just for my needs but I would want as much power running the impeller that I can reasonably have. Some machines will call for a minimum spec on DC.

So considering you options, while I have been impressed with the CV product offering, I think for the money I likely would go with the 5 hp Tempest as I am certain it will meet and exceed you needs / expectations.

Oh, and we run our 5 hp DC on a 30 amp breaker. I think the motor is only 20 amps which would be about right on a 5 hp motor.

-- Jerry Nettrour, San Antonio, www.topqualitycabinets.net

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English

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#13 posted 05-15-2014 01:55 PM

The Penn State Tempest S 2.5 Hp Cyclone will give you 1000 CFM at any one open 6” gate within 35’ of well designed 6” duct at only 13 amps on 220. Only requiring a 20 amp circuit. For a one man shop one gate at a time is all you need.

-- John, Suffolk Virgina

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Bieser

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#14 posted 05-15-2014 02:25 PM

Thanks for all the imput, my first thought with the blast gates is simply ease of use, I have a tendency to always be “moving” and I know my weakness will be loosing the remote or just quickly thinking one cut won’t hurt anything. My shop is only 14×24 so I will have short runs of pipe. I am with you guys on the breaker just saw that on Grizzlies specs

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woodchuckerNJ

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#15 posted 05-15-2014 02:48 PM

Wire your blast gates.

Make your own blast gates, and wire them using:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-Magnetic-Door-Window-Contact-Reed-Switch-Alarm-Security-Ademco-Honeywell-/150854777082?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item231fa538fa

Then run them to a relay.
http://www.pennstateind.com/store/LRMSET220.html?prodpage=1LR

I don’t like the remotes, they are finicky, but the wired blast gates are very easy to do. Just pull it open and the DC is on.

-- Jeff NJ

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