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oltexasboy1

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04-26-2014 01:09 AM

I don’t know if it just me or is ARC really difficult to plane correctly? I am making a cedar chest for my wife and the top is 2×4 feet , a glueup panel of 5 different pieces. There is a few thousands difference in thickness and I have been trying to make them all level. There is the problem. I have a very well sharpen plane , that is set correctly to shave very thin and yet I am having gouging and hanging problems because of the knots in the wood. I think I am going to give up and break out the sanders and figure this out after I get the “box” finished, but I am interested however to see if there is a special technique that I should use to get these planed correctly. Anybody got an idea?

-- If I can't fix it , it wasn't broke.


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firefighterontheside

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#1 posted 04-26-2014 01:43 AM

Can’t help with the hand plane methods as I’m not much of a hand plane user. How about gluing up the panel with one side lined up and then plane it flat after it’s dry.

-- Bill M. I love my job as a firefighter, but nothing gives me the satisfaction of running my hand over a project that I have built and just finished sanding.

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swirt

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#2 posted 04-26-2014 02:23 AM

I have had the same experience. Short pieces with similar grain are no problem but a longer piece with knots and undulating grain are often a tear-out nightmare. It is fibrous and the fibers are loosely bound to each other. I often even have trouble using a card scraper on red cedar without getting tearout and fuzz. I try to stick with planes and scrapers most of the time but I make the excuse that red cedar is what sandpaper was invented for ;)

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Jim Finn

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#3 posted 04-26-2014 02:02 PM

I work with a lot of red cedar also and try to avoid the knots as much as I can. Yes, cedar often requires a bit of sanding.

-- In God We Trust

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oltexasboy1

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#4 posted 04-26-2014 03:50 PM

Sand paper it is then. I had made a gun rack for my muzzle loader a few years ago and I didn’t have all the tools I have today and was forced to sand out any imperfections and it turned out pretty well.Thanks for the input everybody,I appreciate it.

-- If I can't fix it , it wasn't broke.

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oltexasboy1

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#5 posted 04-26-2014 04:24 PM

Thanks Jim , I took a look at your projects, impressive.The panels for your chest, is a good idea, maybe if I ever make another I’ll try that instead of long full size boards.

-- If I can't fix it , it wasn't broke.

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joeyinsouthaustin

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#6 posted 04-26-2014 07:02 PM

It can be a real bear to mill, hand or other wise. There is quite a difference in hardness and softness between the different grains of the wood, and sometimes many wild grain patterns. What has always helped me is to get it good and dry. I usually stick it up with fans on it until I get moisture readings below 10 percent. It mills a lot easier that way. In Austin in the summer I have had to even get it inside in an air conditioned room.

Here is a batch drying. this is to be machine milled, but I know it would help for all styles. It took me 12 days to get this down to an average 8 to 10 percent. It milled very nicely after that. I did have to rest it in the shop, to re-acclimate it before moving on the the next step.

-- Who is John Galt?

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oltexasboy1

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#7 posted 04-27-2014 06:12 PM

I have the same Texas weather you do but mine is in Houston, more humidity. One of the biggest problems I have is the smallness of my work area which really restricts much fan drying or any other endeavor that requires much space. I have not as yet invested in a moisture meter, because for me I work when my arthritis says I can so I don’t worry to much about moisture content generally. I can only work on one project at a time, so if it is really humid outside I find something else to do. One of the great benefits of being retired. Thanks to all for the input I might take a pic when I am done (if it turns out well) and post it here. Again thanks to all.

-- If I can't fix it , it wasn't broke.

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Monte Pittman

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#8 posted 04-27-2014 06:50 PM

I have had numerous problems with tearout with ARC. I don’t know if it is typical for everyone, but it is somewhat common. Small bites and feed it slow.

-- Mother Nature created it, I just assemble it.

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