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Forum topic by MrRon posted 04-19-2014 04:22 PM 1743 views 0 times favorited 38 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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MrRon

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04-19-2014 04:22 PM

Last night I watched a TV show that designs and builds backyard areas called “Yard Crashers”. It is apparently sponsored by Lowes. One of the DIYer’s was crosscutting 4×4’s to length by feeding it against the fence by hand so the piece around 12” long was trapped between the fence and the blade. This was a cutoff operation that should have been done with the miter gauge. I wondered why he didn’t get kickback. There is a lot of misinformation on these DIY shows.


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JADobson

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#1 posted 04-19-2014 04:24 PM

They just edit out the parts where they cut off their hands.

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#2 posted 04-19-2014 04:25 PM

You mean something like Woodsmith – where they have long sleeves while operating a table saw?

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mcase

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#3 posted 04-19-2014 06:54 PM

Its not just TV, though that’s the worst. Its books too. Time-Life carpentry books instructing people to cut the skirt for stairs to fit the risers and treads (nosing and all – completely impossible) instead simply dropping the skirt behind the risers and treads. A book on sharpening that I read in the 70s instructing the reader to “never touch” the back of a chisel because they are all set from the factory. More recently, know-nothing Mark Durginske’s laughable book on band saws with all the nonsense about coplanar wheels. Books on finishing that recommend shellac finishes on table tops. It just goes on and on.

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Bill White

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#4 posted 04-19-2014 07:56 PM

Don’t slam Mark unless you can spell his last name correctly.
Bill

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woodchuckerNJ

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#5 posted 04-19-2014 08:03 PM

what’s wrong with long sleeves and a table saw?

I do it all the time.. Do you stick your arm near the blade????
I don’t. And most don’t. Get real.

-- Jeff NJ

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woodchuckerNJ

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#6 posted 04-19-2014 08:12 PM

So mcase you don’t believe in coplanar wheels…??? Hmmm… I attribute that to why I never have to touch my wheels, I don’t tilt them to track.. I just tighten them, no matter which blade I put in. I also attribute that to my ability to resaw thin veneers with a crappy Delta 14”

And shellac on table tops is a very old way of finishing. If you have ever tried, I think you would like it.
I would not recommend it for a kitchen or bar, but for other tables it is a beautiful finish. Shellac pops the wood beautifully. I guess your a poly guy…. I can’t stand poly..
Ever do a french polish? BTW I did my floors in both poly and shellac, and the shellac floors are holding up just as good as the poly…

What blasphemy…..????

Now as far as TV shows, or many of our ww friends here who produce videos …... It’s just someones opinion.. and everyone has one… right or wrong, and many are wrong… Watch a guy do something once and become an expert… Too many of them.

-- Jeff NJ

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#7 posted 04-19-2014 08:40 PM

I totally agree about the crosscutting without a miter gauge being just plain wrong. I’m picturing the kickback right now and thinking he really must have held that snug against the fence. At least he had the sense to do that if nothing else. As far as the comments, I wear long sleeves, because it’s cold at my work and I have no control over that. I don’t wear them loose and my arms don’t come near the blade. Also, just thought I would share this nice link to a great method for cutting stair skirts, cutting around the tread and risers, nosing and all. To each his own, as long as it’s not a huge safety issue.
http://www.thisiscarpentry.com/2011/04/16/scribing-skirt-boards/

-- Dale Manning, Carthage, NY

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#8 posted 04-19-2014 09:02 PM

I see a lot more safety risks on a lot of the woodworking youtube bloggers, some of the very popular ones too.

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#9 posted 04-19-2014 09:20 PM

I’m amazed at some of the folks on TV like HGTV seems to just employ folks have the go to a state that gives you a contractors Licence by just paying a fee and then put” Licensed contractor” below there name to try an impress the viewer. I’m guessing they don’t have consultants or their consultants built a bird house in 7th grade an that’s the extent of their building experience, they constantly do unsafe operations and most of the time the work they do has a focus mostly on design not on proper construction methods. They have Chop saws why don’t they just cut their 4×4s with them.

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Knothead62

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#10 posted 04-19-2014 10:36 PM

Safety first, safety second, safety all the time in the shop! I got a free magazine at Tractor Supply this winter. This one guy was talking about using stationary power tools. The photo showed him using a table saw. Part of the index finger on his left hand was missing! Maybe now he believes in safety?
I cringe at the shows where people are in boats under power and have no PFD’s on.

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HerbC

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#11 posted 04-19-2014 11:24 PM

Knothead62,

Hey, I resemble that remark!

Herb

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Whiskers

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#12 posted 04-20-2014 04:44 AM

I started to comment earlier on this subject, but decided against it cause I didn’t want to get flamed, but I see a couple similar comments. I am a admitted newbie in many areas. I have been around table saws, and recently got a good one. When I saw the comment about wearing long sleeves while working one I had to think, HUH, WTF? what does that matter. If your sleeve is that close to a table saw blade, your doing something majorly wrong. When I do cuts on the table saw, I keep my hands well away from the blade, and my body away from the trajectory of the wood should it change direction. Personally I have never seen this phenomenon called kick back. My saw cuts wood like butter. I spent many hours tuning it to prevent such things, but it is something I hope to never experience. When I do, I intend to be out of the way. Long sleeves? Come on. If you have to worry about your sleeves getting in to the works, your a freaking accident waiting to happen.

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Jorge G.

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#13 posted 04-20-2014 05:19 AM

but for other tables it is a beautiful finish.

So what happens if someone spills wine or an alcoholic beverage on the table? Just being curious.

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Tedster

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#14 posted 04-20-2014 06:09 AM

Other tables have a flatter surface so the alcoholic beverage spreads out more evenly, thus preventing it from dissolving…. darnit, I can’t even type this with a straight face! :p

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hairy

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#15 posted 04-20-2014 02:36 PM

When David Marks had a DIY channel show called Woodworks, they had him wear long sleeves to cover his tattoos.

I’ve seen him, and Norm make cuts on a tablesaw, without guards and splitters. They did have warning saying covers are removed for clarity. If you watch a lot of This Old House, you’ve seen freehand tablesaw cuts.

Woodsmith, Tim Yoder and Scott Phillips are very good about safety, more than just read and follow the directions that came with your tools.

Finance advisor Dave Ramsey says there is nothing real about reality tv.

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