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BRod

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04-18-2014 05:12 AM

Topic tags/keywords: sawstop tablesaw ics table saw refurb

Hey all, I have a chance to buy a Sawstop for $2000 or less (probably $1800). WOW you might say…but wait there’s more. So it’s an original ICS…CB51230 model built in 2006. It has the 5hp single phase motor on it and the 36” T-glide system.

So here is the dilemma, this thing was rode hard and put away wet for many years. The table top was all marred up from a few drink cups stains and just general grime and surface rust (nothing that 220 grit and some WD can’t fix). The T-fence has been beat up pretty decent. Probably needs new faces on it, which I think run $25 a piece from Sawstop, and it has a nice blob of white paint on it. The rail for the fence is also got some nice rust spots, dings, nicks, etc. It needs a new blade guard and insert and the melamine side wing is pretty beat as well.

But none of that concerns me too much, just mainly cosmetic and probably $200 fixes it all. What concerns me is the inside. I opened it up and there was 2” of sawdust in the engine cover and 4-5” of sawdust in the bottom of the cabinet. When looking at the worm gears that raise and lower the blade, they were pretty well caked with dust and grease combo which did make the movement a little difficult, but after I ran it up and down it seemed okay.

But assuming this thing was run for 5-7 years in a cabinet shop and apparently without dust collection at least some of the time, is this normal and how is this going to affect the saw? How hard is it going to be to tear into this thing to get all the gears, pulleys, etc cleaned up and back in top shape? Anyone have experience going through something similar?

thanks, guys!
Brad


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bowedcurly

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#1 posted 04-18-2014 09:38 AM

is that the one on craigslist?

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#2 posted 04-18-2014 09:52 AM

I’d skip it because it was rode pretty hard and doesn’t have a riving knife.
Cabinet mounted trunnions and riving knives are two must haves IMHO, when shopping for a table saw.

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#3 posted 04-18-2014 11:48 AM

On the one hand, I love buying used equipment. I read all of these horror stories of getting new machines shipped to your home damaged, cleaning grease of the new machine for hours, and then dealing with customer service with the invevitable missing/damaged part. Buying it used, I go to the guy’s shop, see the item already assembled, and actually use it before I buy (for way less than retail).
But on the other hand, I only buy stuff that has been lightly used and well cared for. And i specifically avoid buying from a “production” shop. I think you may be setting yourself up for a headache. 5-7 years in a cabinet shop probably equals 25 years in my shop.
Whichever way you choose, I’d love to hear how it goes. good luck

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#4 posted 04-18-2014 12:59 PM

I’m with squaretree 100%. If possible I’d rather buy used, and quality. That said…........

I have nothing at all against the SS. In fact if I were a rich man I’d seriously consider buying one. That said, $2K is allot of bucks for a used saw especially from a pro shop, that from your description sounds like it might not have been hugged and loved too much.

At a minimum, considering the $$ involved I would make a visit to the shop and do several test cuts, and really check things out closely. Might wanna bring a friend too as another set of eyes can be a good thing. And this, how do you know the safety mechanism functions properly? Might wanna bring along a hot dog on the inspection too LOL. Seriously, to me the finger saver is an electrical gadget could or would represent one more thing to go wrong.

IMHO buying used is most generally chancey. As tempting as it might be, considering the $$ involved I’d be real careful. In fact, for that kind of money I’d prolly pass it up and or buy a new 3hp saw new.

Good lock with your decision and let us know how it goes.

-- Bill, central NY...no where near the "big apple"

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#5 posted 04-18-2014 01:07 PM

I would buy it. That’s the best saw in the market right now if you ask me. Vacuum out the dust, clean up the table, buy fence faces and be happy that you have that saw for less than 50% of its new cost.

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#6 posted 04-18-2014 01:19 PM

Judging from your description…even I would pass on that. larry

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#7 posted 04-18-2014 01:19 PM

I would buy it. That’s a great price, and most of it is easily fixed. Just sand the top, then clean the inners…

Use blaster teflon spray for the worm and everything.
And YOU SUCK!

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#8 posted 04-18-2014 01:33 PM

I would be very wary of buying any used production machinery that had been worked hard and visually uncared for even if it were from a company that had been production quality machines for a while.

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#9 posted 04-18-2014 01:40 PM

“just mainly cosmetic and probably $200 fixes it all”

So, you’re into it around 2 k?

Go back in a month it’ll still be there and offer around 1500
and see what they say.

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#10 posted 04-18-2014 01:51 PM

None of the minor issues you named would bother me. They are all things easily rectified. In fact, if Sawstop is in deed built as good as the old PM or Unisaw, then that is a 30 year or more saw easily. Even the motor could have minor maintenance performed to ensure long lasting life. I would even buy from a production shop and have done so with great success.

However…. The asking price is way too high in my opinion for the condition. When I buy in that condition, I am under 500.00 on price so I have room in budget to rectify issues.

And, I have never owned a 5 hp table saw and really imagine that power to be not required for anything I, or most other hobby fellas would need. All 3 of our cabinet saws are 3 hp and I cannot slow the blade ripping 3/4” ply. I can almost throw plywood through the blade and the 3 hp eats right through. Even cutting solid lumber I don’t slow the blade or stall the blade. I have been personally very satisfied with the power of a 3 hp cabinet saw.

So with that in mind, you could have a brand new 3 hp Sawstop for 3,000.00. That is far better than a beat up 5 hp Sawstop for 2000.00. For 3,000.00 you get brand new fence, brand new motor, warranty, shiny everything.

So in my opinion, the asking price kills the deal. If I were you with that 2000.00 budget, throw another G at it and go for the shiny new 3 hp. You should not regret it. :)

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#11 posted 04-18-2014 02:12 PM

You cannot buy a 3hp sawstop ICS for $3000. Base model with a 3hp motor is $3899 plus about $300 in tax. So he’s getting it tax free for less than half the price. Adding the 5hp motor adds $400 retail. Not to mention a $400 shipping fee that every buyer has to pay.

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#12 posted 04-18-2014 04:36 PM

http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2084907/39545/SawStop-3-HP-Professional-Cabinet-Saw-with-52-Professional-T-Glide-Fence-System--PCS31230-TGP252.aspx?keyword=&refcode=10INGOPB&device=c&network=g&matchtype=&gclid=CKjxm6m56r0CFYFhMgodA1gAQw

http://www.tylertool.com/sawstop-pcs31230-pfa30-220v-single-phase-3-hp-13-amp-10-in--professional-cabinet-saw-with-30-in--fence-system/sspnpcs31230-pfa30,default,pd.html?ref=tylercipla&zmam=31282435&zmas=47&zmac=667&zmap=sspnpcs31230-pfa30&srccode=cii_17588969&cpncode=32-343679432-2

http://www.woodworkerssource.com/PCS31230-TGP36-p-SawStop.html?gclid=CNTihPi66r0CFe87MgodVxgA-w

I never said ICS, however the PCS is linked above at 3,000. Do you really need 5 hp??? If I had a choice between brand new or used hard and the difference in price is 1000 or 1500 on a 3-4000 machine, I would easily go with brand new. In some cases I will go 50% retail, maybe more if the condition of the machine is consistent with the asking price. Nothing against used at all, everything we have is auction or CL but I buy decent condition at 10-25% retail. 50% retail for heavily used tips the scales against the deal. I suppose I am just too cheap to give 50% retail for a well used machine.

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#13 posted 04-18-2014 04:44 PM

I would get the ICS over the PCS for that price.

That saw can easily be cleaned up, and if the electrical is not in good shape, then just contact saw stop as there product then no longer works and you could easily sue them for failure… they will take care of you.
This stuff is supposed to work.. period…

-- Jeff NJ

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#14 posted 04-18-2014 04:45 PM

You are correct that you didn’t say ICS, however, that is the saw in question. So it’s strange to compare a new lesser saw to a used better saw and skew the argument in your favor to the uninformed. I think anyone anywhere would be hard pressed to buy a top of the line tablesaw like the sawstop ICS for 10-25% retail. These things hold their value like Festool products. I’ve had my eye out for a 12” Oliver or powermatic jointer now for yeas but used they go for a boat load of money.

The ICS is built so tough I don’t think even a pro mill would do any damage to one after 7-8 years of hard use. I would still buy it if it were me.

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#15 posted 04-18-2014 08:56 PM

I would give a call to SawStop and ask them what you would need to do to the saw to refurbish it. The tech service there is very good and probably could give you some good points.

I would certainly run the saw along with the up and down of the blade and rotating the blade over to 45°. It is a lot of money for a saw even a SS and I would want to make certain it runs fine.

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